Property taxes vs home appreciation

I'm not so sure I agree with those who recommend selling. In Canada house prices have literally taken off. If you were out of the market for any length of time you probably can't afford to get back in. In this area a crappy house might be $1,000,000 (has about doubled in the last 7 years). A nicer house would be at least $1,400,000. Something really nice, with a view, might be $4,000,000 or even more.

Taxes on our $1,400,000 2400 sq foot home, in a nice area, without a view would be in the range of $4,000/year.

Rental property is practically non existent and rents are very high, in the range of $2500 - $3,000 for a small home or apartment. And that's probably not high enough to justify buying or building property to rent.

Owning your own home at least gives you some degree of cost control and an asset that can be sold eventually (or you could mortgage or take out a reverse mortgage on it) if as a retiree you ever run out of money.

We plan to keep our house, pay someone to provide maintenance if/when we can't do it ourselves anymore, and live here as long as possible.
I think this is only true in markets that are have increasing populations, and especially in BC where easily buildable land is rare, or in southern ontario where easily commutable vacant land is running out.
The U.S. has more areas with declining populations and more areas to move to with different tax structures.
Both countries have reduced immigration so we'll see how real estate is valued in the next few years.
 
Property taxes seem to only go up. Even when the housing market goes down, taxes hold firm...
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I remember a reassessment done on properties in my county sometime after 2008-2009's crash where the assessor proudly announced that they actually lowered property values to reflect the state of the housing market. Only problem is that the taxing bodies raised their rates so, despite the assessed value going down, my taxes went up around $600 that year.
 
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I remember a reassessment done on properties in my county sometime after 2008-2009's crash where the assessor proudly announced that they actually lowered property values to reflect the state of the housing market. Only problem is that the taxing bodies raised their rates so, despite the assessed value going down, my taxes went up around $600 that year.
I lived in Charlotte NC at the time. They "froze" the assessments. There was a big legal fight with people saying there assessment should go down. Was finally settled 5 years later, and the vast majority of properties they still raised the tax value - in 2009,10,11. I sold my house there in 2013 (after renting it to some friends for several years). Didn't even live in the state. They found me and send me retroactive tax bills for 5 years. Mine totaled less than a grand so I just paid it. I read about people owing tens of thousands of back taxes.
 
I remember a reassessment done on properties in my county sometime after 2008-2009's crash where the assessor proudly announced that they actually lowered property values to reflect the state of the housing market. Only problem is that the taxing bodies raised their rates so, despite the assessed value going down, my taxes went up around $600 that year.
This is exactly how it's supposed to work. Properties should be assessed at their actual value and the mill rate is then set at the rate that collects the required taxes.

Property values go up. Mill rate goes down. Taxes stay the same.
Property values go down. Mill rate goes up. Taxes stay the same.
Property values don't change. Mill rate doesn't change. Taxes stay the same.

But there will usually be at least a small increase from year to year. That's because of inflation. Most things cost more every year.
 
Exactly this. There is this assumption that somehow renting is throwing money away. Yet, everyone ignores the easy $1k / month it takes just to own a house. Taxes, insurance, maintenance is all sunk costs.
Maybe it is throwing away money. All I know is I’d rather have a fat bank account and less expenses than more expenses and a small bank account. The latter is her situation and probably many others as well.
 
Maybe it is throwing away money. All I know is I’d rather have a fat bank account and less expenses than more expenses and a small bank account. The latter is her situation and probably many others as well.
That's why you invest for the long term. A big fat portfolio consisting of various assets including living conditions.
The idea of selling and then renting incurs risk. Rents generally go up.
A great problem to have is deciding how to split up your assets in your living trust.

If your dear Mother is short of cash, perhaps consider renting a room? In finance we are taught to maximize the value of our assets.
Good luck.
 
Everywhere I've owned a home the tax was pretty easy to understand and not entirely linked to value. The town has a budget, that budget needs to be funded, if your average home value is low then the tax rate is high. If the average home value is high then the tax rate is lower. They essentially adjust home values and/or tax rates to fund the budget. The only way taxes would go up 10% in a single year is if the budget went up 10% in a single year.
 
That's why you invest for the long term. A big fat portfolio consisting of various assets including living conditions.
The idea of selling and then renting incurs risk. Rents generally go up.
A great problem to have is deciding how to split up your assets in your living trust.

If your dear Mother is short of cash, perhaps consider renting a room? In finance we are taught to maximize the value of our assets.
Good luck.
She did not plan appropriately so the fat portfolio idea is out of the picture at this point. I very much learned from her mistake and will not be in the same situation.

A house that you can’t maintain and financial support is also a risk. So pick your risk.
 
She did not plan appropriately so the fat portfolio idea is out of the picture at this point. I very much learned from her mistake and will not be in the same situation.

A house that you can’t maintain and financial support is also a risk. So pick your risk.
That amount of risk is highly dependent on the property condition. Yes, sometimes it is better to cut bait and run.
I made the conscious decision to fix up everything, install solar panels and a tankless water heater, while I was working.

I sincerely hope things work out for your dear Mother. And someday you and your siblings inherit a nice property.
Guess who took care of my parent's home?
 
That amount of risk is highly dependent on the property condition. Yes, sometimes it is better to cut bait and run.
I made the conscious decision to fix up everything, install solar panels and a tankless water heater, while I was working.

I sincerely hope things work out for your dear Mother. And someday you and your siblings inherit a nice property.
Guess who took care of my parent's home?
I appreciate the kind words but it won’t happen. I live too far away and my older sibling who is closer flat refuses to help. I don’t want the property to be honest. It’s just dirt and a box made of bricks and wood. I want her to be happy and healthy and enjoying her twilight years. The home is dragging her down, not helping her out. She refuses to see it though.
 
I appreciate the kind words but it won’t happen. I live too far away and my older sibling who is closer flat refuses to help. I don’t want the property to be honest. It’s just dirt and a box made of bricks and wood. I want her to be happy and healthy and enjoying her twilight years. The home is dragging her down, not helping her out. She refuses to see it though.
I know what that is like. My mother won't leave her house. Its not a cost thing - its the maintenance, etc. She lives alone - its a long ways from town. She lived there with my dad in that house for near 40 years, but on that property for 50 (they built a new house when I was a small child). I think part is memories, and part is the fear of giving up independence. We really have no idea what to do. My sister is local and does all the work but I can tell that is getting old quickly. Dad took care of most everything, but he passed suddenly 18 months ago.
 
Even if you have no mortgage you never really own it. The state/county just rent it out to you. Sure you can sell it but if you don't pay the rent you will get an eviction notice and the state/county will seek another tenant.
I have looked into this - and there is no free lunch.

As mentioned, you can never really own a piece of property.

You can rent - but the landlord can enforce there will or ask you to leave for whatever reason.

You can live on a boat, but you give up your 4th amendment. For some reason boats don't count or something. Not that it would matter much, but boats have a lot of other setbacks - like space.

Maybe the folks driving around in RV's figured it out 🤷‍♂️
 
This is exactly how it's supposed to work. Properties should be assessed at their actual value and the mill rate is then set at the rate that collects the required taxes.

Property values go up. Mill rate goes down. Taxes stay the same.
Property values go down. Mill rate goes up. Taxes stay the same.
Property values don't change. Mill rate doesn't change. Taxes stay the same.

But there will usually be at least a small increase from year to year. That's because of inflation. Most things cost more every year.
The problem with this is that the government is taxing the inflated value of your home, a home that you haven’t sold and profited from. Equity is nothing more than a mirage until the asset is sold, but the government is allowed to tax that mirage.

It’s analogous to last year’s proposal to tax UNREALIZED gains on stock (the mirage). I remember the howls of protest asking how can anyone possibly justify taxing the profit on something you haven’t yet sold, yet a tax strategy like this is mandated on your home.

It’s not like the government will go without; there’s income taxes, sales taxes, capital gains taxes, energy taxes, internet taxes, cell phone taxes, hotel taxes, etc.

Scott
 
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The problem with this is that the government is taxing the inflated value of your home, a home that you haven’t yet sold and profited from. Equity is nothing more than a mirage until the asset is sold.

It’s analogous to last year’s proposal to tax UNREALIZED gains on stock. I remember the howls of protest asking how can anyone possibly justify taxing the profit on something you haven’t yet sold, yet a tax strategy like this on your home is accepted.

It’s not like the government will go without; there’s income taxes, sales taxes, capital gains taxes, energy taxes, internet taxes, cell phone taxes, hotel taxes, etc.

Scott
And for the last month we’re starting to see where our money was going. And that’s just a tiny tip of that giant iceberg.
 
there is no free lunch.
Maybe or maybe not. If you rent and pay no property taxes you still get police/fire service, social services, public schools for the renter's kidlets, public parks, things like libraries etc. OTOH the property owners pay for that but get the same services in quality and quantity.

So sombody is getting a free lunch and some other schmo is picking up the tab. BTW, I've been both a renter and a schmo.
 
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