Here it's about $.30 difference. Mostly at the mom and pop stations. None of the big names carry it. There is one Pure gas station and one Kwik Sak that I would consider chains that have it.
Price difference of non-alcohol gas in your area?
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AFAIK, there is nobody in my area at all that sells non ethanol 87 octane gas. And I only know of two stations that sell non ethanol premium and that's Costco and Shell. Costco's price for premium is considerably less than the other major stations up here as well, as they only charge 10 cents more per liter (and their regular price is usually 3-4 below the others as well) and most major stations here charge 16-20 cents more per liter for premium.
There was a station here that had both regular and premium pure gas, but they lost the regular and now only have the premium.
There are also a chain of grocery store gas stations that have premium pure gas.
Pretty high priced... 40-50 cents more, depending on the station.
There is another local chain that pushes E blends, not only E-10 and E-85, but E-15, and they want to add blends in between.
I don't think ethanol is so terrible in the heat of the summer, it might help engines run a little cooler, but I worry about water in it during the winter.
There are also a chain of grocery store gas stations that have premium pure gas.
Pretty high priced... 40-50 cents more, depending on the station.
There is another local chain that pushes E blends, not only E-10 and E-85, but E-15, and they want to add blends in between.
I don't think ethanol is so terrible in the heat of the summer, it might help engines run a little cooler, but I worry about water in it during the winter.
Originally Posted By: ronbo
Hopefully everyone that claims it's not available in their area checks www.pure-gas.org occasionally.
In my area of New York State, it's available in a few stations at only 91 octane and cost $.50 a gallon more. I use it only for lawn equipment and snowblowers.
You don't get it. E10 is REQUIRED by law for automotive use here in all octane levels. Only off road type vehicles can run regular gas( airplanes, boats, etc... ). Even most of the marinas sell E10 now.
I don't mean any offense but there is something about the way BITOG members not believing other members drives me nuts.
Hopefully everyone that claims it's not available in their area checks www.pure-gas.org occasionally.
In my area of New York State, it's available in a few stations at only 91 octane and cost $.50 a gallon more. I use it only for lawn equipment and snowblowers.
You don't get it. E10 is REQUIRED by law for automotive use here in all octane levels. Only off road type vehicles can run regular gas( airplanes, boats, etc... ). Even most of the marinas sell E10 now.
I don't mean any offense but there is something about the way BITOG members not believing other members drives me nuts.
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Originally Posted By: ronbo
Hopefully everyone that claims it's not available in their area checks www.pure-gas.org occasionally.
In my area of New York State, it's available in a few stations at only 91 octane and cost $.50 a gallon more. I use it only for lawn equipment and snowblowers.
Checked that site.
It's not up to date. Even the Marinas around here don't have straight gas, they have E10 despite what that site previously claimed. I've been to them and checked, looking for OPE and Antique Car fuel....
Relegated to buying canned fuel in the OPE and transferring old fuel into the 4 Runner to be burned before it goes bad.
Thought about buying 100LL at the local FBO....
Hopefully everyone that claims it's not available in their area checks www.pure-gas.org occasionally.
In my area of New York State, it's available in a few stations at only 91 octane and cost $.50 a gallon more. I use it only for lawn equipment and snowblowers.
Checked that site.
It's not up to date. Even the Marinas around here don't have straight gas, they have E10 despite what that site previously claimed. I've been to them and checked, looking for OPE and Antique Car fuel....
Relegated to buying canned fuel in the OPE and transferring old fuel into the 4 Runner to be burned before it goes bad.
Thought about buying 100LL at the local FBO....
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Originally Posted By: Kruse
Local Sinclair station used to have 87 and 89 octane gas as their two only choices. Nobody bought the 89 octane gas, so they switched to gas with no alcohol added. So they now sell 87 octane with 10% alcohol and 87 octane with 0% alcohol added. There used to be some area stations that sold 0% alcohol gas, but the price difference between the 10% and the 0% was about $.40/gallon. The local Sinclair station's price difference is only $.05/gallon between the 10% and the 0%. Sales seem to be fairly brisk. I had avoided this station in the past, but will now be giving them some business.
So the question is: If 0% is available in your area, what is the price difference between 10% and 0%?
That's not why they went from 89 to 87. The reason is the pipeline use to carry pure 87 octane but now only carried pure 84. To get to 87 they have to blend with 91 or ethanol. It's cheaper to make 87 than 89. That's why they switched. Not because it wasn't selling.
I stopped in and talked to the owner today. (I've known him for +30 plus years) I flat out asked him exactly why they switched from 89 octane with alcohol to 87 octane with no alcohol. He told me that they switched to a non-alcohol 87 octane because a larger percentage of customers are demanding it and that they weren't selling any 89 octane. He told me that it was taking over 6 months to empty their inventory of 89 octane and they were worried about still having winter gas for the summer customers or vice versa. I asked him if it had anything to do with a pipeline problem and he told me he could buy 89 octane gas from several pipeline terminals if he wanted to.
He said the biggest cause of people wanting non-alcohol gas is that there is an owner of a lawn mower shop down the street who is telling all the customers that the alcohol in the gas is making their law mowers run terrible and that the owners are believing the guy. The subject of alcohol-related problems in lawn mowers is another topic.
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Local Sinclair station used to have 87 and 89 octane gas as their two only choices. Nobody bought the 89 octane gas, so they switched to gas with no alcohol added. So they now sell 87 octane with 10% alcohol and 87 octane with 0% alcohol added. There used to be some area stations that sold 0% alcohol gas, but the price difference between the 10% and the 0% was about $.40/gallon. The local Sinclair station's price difference is only $.05/gallon between the 10% and the 0%. Sales seem to be fairly brisk. I had avoided this station in the past, but will now be giving them some business.
So the question is: If 0% is available in your area, what is the price difference between 10% and 0%?
That's not why they went from 89 to 87. The reason is the pipeline use to carry pure 87 octane but now only carried pure 84. To get to 87 they have to blend with 91 or ethanol. It's cheaper to make 87 than 89. That's why they switched. Not because it wasn't selling.
I stopped in and talked to the owner today. (I've known him for +30 plus years) I flat out asked him exactly why they switched from 89 octane with alcohol to 87 octane with no alcohol. He told me that they switched to a non-alcohol 87 octane because a larger percentage of customers are demanding it and that they weren't selling any 89 octane. He told me that it was taking over 6 months to empty their inventory of 89 octane and they were worried about still having winter gas for the summer customers or vice versa. I asked him if it had anything to do with a pipeline problem and he told me he could buy 89 octane gas from several pipeline terminals if he wanted to.
He said the biggest cause of people wanting non-alcohol gas is that there is an owner of a lawn mower shop down the street who is telling all the customers that the alcohol in the gas is making their law mowers run terrible and that the owners are believing the guy. The subject of alcohol-related problems in lawn mowers is another topic.
There's one place in town that sells it. Its about 40 cents per gallon more. I was told by the distributor who I ran into that it is a consequence of tax at the wholesale level.
They sell it at a station out by the airport. No lead is popular with homebuilt airplane owners. E-10 gas will freeze up at altitude. So the homebuilt guys will find no alcohol gas and run that, because its much cheaper than avgas. Personally I'd be reluctant to trust my life to the idea that they really have the right stuff in the tank. It sells well.
They sell it at a station out by the airport. No lead is popular with homebuilt airplane owners. E-10 gas will freeze up at altitude. So the homebuilt guys will find no alcohol gas and run that, because its much cheaper than avgas. Personally I'd be reluctant to trust my life to the idea that they really have the right stuff in the tank. It sells well.
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