Premium Guard PG2500EX C&P

See post 17 ... says so with the ISO 4548-12 spec test reference. Much more direct and clear than the efficiency claims made on PG's website.

Yes but it is a generic marketing claim and not filter specific. Nor does it say on which filter(s) it is based on.

In general, I am very wary of believing filter specs that are in the form of marketing copy paste that are identical for every filter in a family and / or which don't specify which filters the claims are based on. I would even go so far as to say an up to date spec sheet is required to have confidence not least because of changes that are constantly taking place especially when you're dealing with products supplied by a distributor who works with multiple suppliers.

Using the WIX filter finder tool, you can see quite surprising differences in efficiencies between similar size filters with what you might assume are the same media.

In terms of being assured of a highly efficient long life filter that is well constructed, I would either source an Ultra OG through eBay or look for evidence that the current Fram Ultra in the model I require is still properly constructed.

Edited to add: I also find it telling that Premium Guard do not respond to enquiries. Once upon a time, Ecoguard were responding with actual specifications. Premium Guard then acquired Ecoguard. When these companies are small, they welcome enquiries since being responsive is good for reputation and can lead to more sales. Premium Guard have obviously hit the big time with supplying Napa, Carquest, Autozone, O'Reilly and it's a volume / commodity business for them. It's great that they supply such good quality but I don't think the specs matter to them.
 
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Yes but it is a generic marketing claim and not filter specific. Nor does it say on which filter(s) it is based on.
Yes, like many others do ... or even worse, don't do. At least they show an ISO 4548-12 reference efficiency % with an associated particle size. They had to have tested at least a few filters to get an ISO 4548-12 rating. If they use the same exact media in all the filters in that model line, I don't think the efficiency will vary that much unless maybe comparing the largest to the smallest filter to each other. Example is Fram's ISO 4548-12 specs on 3 different sized filters in the same filter line (ie, XG, FS, FE). If they varied a lot due to size, they wouldn't see an average of 99% @20.

In today's world, with a good computer model they could ISO test enough filters in different sizes to generate a good model and then come up with a spec sheet for every filter model/size. Would still take a lot of time and money to even do it that way.
 
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Yes, like many others do ... or even worse, don't do. At least they show an ISO 4548-12 reference efficiency % with an associated particle size. If they use the same exact media in all the filters in that model line, I don't think the efficiency will vary that much unless maybe comparing the largest to the smallest filter to each other. Example is Fram's ISO 4548-12 specs on 3 different sized filters in the same filter line. If they varied a lot due to size, they wouldn't see an average of 99% @20.

In today's world, with a good computer model they could ISO test enough filters in different sizes to generate a good model and then come up with a spec sheet for every filter model/size. Would still take a lot of time and money to even do it that way.

I think it varies more on less efficient media. Based on Wix, it looks like your size may be one of the better ones:

FL500S / 57052: 2/20=6/20
FL820S / 51372: 2/20=12/25

Also, I note that Ecoguard claim 99% efficiency at 25 micron which unlike PG matches the wording for your MGS. And back in 2017 their FL820S equivalent had on the box that the filter in the box (S4651) was 99.9% efficient at 25 microns:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/virgin-ecogard-s4651-synthetic-c-p.272254/#post-4439737

So maybe you're getting what you're hoping for.
 
That's my one concern about running the Premium Guard filters-in the (unlikely) event there's an issue that damages an engine, there's NO ONE standing behind the filters. I am going to ask my indy a hypothetical question about his Service Pro ones, guessing Service Pro handles any warranty. Neither China nor Vietnam are paying...
 
That's my one concern about running the Premium Guard filters-in the (unlikely) event there's an issue that damages an engine, there's NO ONE standing behind the filters. I am going to ask my indy a hypothetical question about his Service Pro ones, guessing Service Pro handles any warranty. Neither China nor Vietnam are paying...
Agreed that there's a very low chance of something going wrong with the filter to cause a blown engine, but definitely something to consider what support there would be if it did happen.
 
That's my one concern about running the Premium Guard filters-in the (unlikely) event there's an issue that damages an engine, there's NO ONE standing behind the filters. I am going to ask my indy a hypothetical question about his Service Pro ones, guessing Service Pro handles any warranty. Neither China nor Vietnam are paying...

Well PG does have a warranty.. but ask your Indy guy if the Service Pro falls under this

https://www.pgfilters.com/resources/warranty/
 
Id perfer 100% to have a USA made filter but they cant get them right here anymore it seems. THAT is a nice looking filter for sure... Still kinda weary about using one though. I guess Vietnam is a lot better than chinese.
 
Id perfer 100% to have a USA made filter but they cant get them right here anymore it seems. THAT is a nice looking filter for sure... Still kinda weary about using one though. I guess Vietnam is a lot better than chinese.
I know how you feel. But the quality control is very good. If your feeling lucky swing by your local AAP. I still find OG Fram Titaniums!! Others have as well.
 
I still find OG Fram Titaniums!! Others have as well.
What are the date codes on those? I might have missed it if you said. They must be relatively old. The OG Titaniums were long gone in the AAPs in my area.
 
What indicates an OG Titanium? What should I look for?
Look down the center tube for round holes and wire backing.

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What are the date codes on those? I might have missed it if you said. They must be relatively old. The OG Titaniums were long gone in the AAPs in my area.
As of now Im tracking date codes to find the change over. So far all OG’s are first and second quarter 2023. Also note I’m only checking 7317’s.
 
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Thanks! 7317 is what I would need. So Im guessing that they omitted the wire backing? Why? I thought this was a selling point of that lineup?
 
So Im guessing that they omitted the wire backing? Why? I thought this was a selling point of that lineup?
The change to non-wire backed media happened quite a while ago. There were many threads about it. Fram had a winning filter with the wire-backed media, but apparently some bean counters thought saving some production costs would be a good thing. Think they tried to cut costs to help keep the cost to the consumers the same in the inflation surge. IMO, they should have just kept the OG Ultra, raised the price slightly and not put money into the Endurance, which is only sold through Walmart.
 
I like those premium guards, always look good.
Not to derail the Ops thread but..
Is this an OG titanium with the old ultra media? Was at AAP today and picked one up. The louvers make it a little hard to tell but I’m pretty sure there are wires. They had a few more and might grab them.
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I like those premium guards, always look good.
Not to derail the Ops thread but..
Is this an OG titanium with the old ultra media? Was at AAP today and picked one up. The louvers make it a little hard to tell but I’m pretty sure there are wires. They had a few more and might grab them.
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Looks like the ones I just got. Wire backed / pinkish media; which would be OG, is what it appears to be to me.
 
I like those premium guards, always look good.
Not to derail the Ops thread but..
Is this an OG titanium with the old ultra media? Was at AAP today and picked one up. The louvers make it a little hard to tell but I’m pretty sure there are wires. They had a few more and might grab them.
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This is good to know, so it looks like louvers OR round holes and wire mesh backing...
 
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