Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
I agree, I would like to see the PQIA test synthetics, especially the boutiques.
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I agree, I would like to see the PQIA test synthetics, especially the boutiques.
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PQIA tests six oils - Three are out of spec!
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This info should be published on the back of the bottles. API is pretty weak in the knees.
The PQIA has nothing to gain or lose from proving people make a poor product. Not sure why there's finger pointing here.
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Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
I agree, I would like to see the PQIA test synthetics, especially the boutiques.
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It is unlikely for any blender's premium product to be out of spec. There is a far greater chance of an entry-level product being harmful.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
I agree, I would like to see the PQIA test synthetics, especially the boutiques.
+1
It is unlikely for any blender's premium product to be out of spec. There is a far greater chance of an entry-level product being harmful.
UPDATE - Pinnacle Oil has confirmed PQIA's findings of an off-specification NOACK result on the the oil they blend for Sheetz, and took immediate corrective actions to prevent a reoccurence.
Their letter to PQIA can be seen at www.pqiamerica.com
Kudos to Pinnacle for their fast, professional and responsible reaction to PQIA's article!
Full Disclosure: The Petroleum Quality Institute of America has asked me to serve on their Advisory Board, and I agreed effective last week. In this role I provide independent and unbiased opinions to PQIA on their activities when requested. I am not an employee of PQIA, am not compensated for this assistance, and do not speak for or represent PQIA unless stated. My comments and opinions here on BITOG remain my own.
Tom NJ
Their letter to PQIA can be seen at www.pqiamerica.com
Kudos to Pinnacle for their fast, professional and responsible reaction to PQIA's article!
Full Disclosure: The Petroleum Quality Institute of America has asked me to serve on their Advisory Board, and I agreed effective last week. In this role I provide independent and unbiased opinions to PQIA on their activities when requested. I am not an employee of PQIA, am not compensated for this assistance, and do not speak for or represent PQIA unless stated. My comments and opinions here on BITOG remain my own.
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As you can tell from reading the forum here MBenz spec 229.51 causes a huge read for many reasons.
Mostly due to the expense and scarceness would be my guess
as you can read from my sig line three OIL COMPANIES claim they meet MBenz spec 229.51 --- any chance PQIA could test their oils and confirm or refute the claims ?
As you can tell from reading the forum here MBenz spec 229.51 causes a huge read for many reasons.
Mostly due to the expense and scarceness would be my guess
as you can read from my sig line three OIL COMPANIES claim they meet MBenz spec 229.51 --- any chance PQIA could test their oils and confirm or refute the claims ?
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PQIA samples oils on a random basis rather than selecting specific brands so as not to favor (or pick on) any company. Also, they just run some basic specification tests such as additive metals, viscosities, TBN, and NOACK. This type of testing would not confirm or refute a claim of approval under MB 229.51.
I would expect that any major brand that makes such a claim would be correct. That said, watch the wording in the claim. "Approved" is not the same as "meets the requirements of" or "recommended for". A list of approved oils should be available from MB.
Tom NJ
I would expect that any major brand that makes such a claim would be correct. That said, watch the wording in the claim. "Approved" is not the same as "meets the requirements of" or "recommended for". A list of approved oils should be available from MB.
Tom NJ
Wow! Great read. Blown away with the stats on Super Tech conventional!!! OMG the moly score blows away everything else even major label!?!? I dont know what to do anymore with my oil.....
The PittPen result really is in the pits.
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Wow! Great read. Blown away with the stats on Super Tech conventional!!! OMG the moly score blows away everything else even major label!?!? I dont know what to do anymore with my oil.....
Super Tech is quality oil but check their testing on Formula Shell. Leader of the pack for moly.
Wow! Great read. Blown away with the stats on Super Tech conventional!!! OMG the moly score blows away everything else even major label!?!? I dont know what to do anymore with my oil.....
Super Tech is quality oil but check their testing on Formula Shell. Leader of the pack for moly.
Originally Posted By: 3311
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Wow! Great read. Blown away with the stats on Super Tech conventional!!! OMG the moly score blows away everything else even major label!?!? I dont know what to do anymore with my oil.....
Super Tech is quality oil but check their testing on Formula Shell. Leader of the pack for moly.
What's with the Moly craze?
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Wow! Great read. Blown away with the stats on Super Tech conventional!!! OMG the moly score blows away everything else even major label!?!? I dont know what to do anymore with my oil.....
Super Tech is quality oil but check their testing on Formula Shell. Leader of the pack for moly.
What's with the Moly craze?
Originally Posted By: 3311
Why not want an oil with moly in it as well?
Different additives are used for different purposes. There is no reason to concentrate on Moly any more than another additive. Moly at one point (or still is), used as a friction modifier. But other additives that may or may not visible from an UOA can serve similar purposes.
Why not want an oil with moly in it as well?
Different additives are used for different purposes. There is no reason to concentrate on Moly any more than another additive. Moly at one point (or still is), used as a friction modifier. But other additives that may or may not visible from an UOA can serve similar purposes.
When all the other private label stuff cant put up the moly when SuperTech can they get a little praise from me. Dont feel bad anymore for having their synthetic in my Yaris when I could have had my favorite Pennzoil.
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Yes lets see the semi synthetics and how they stack up against each other. Seems more and more semi synthetics are showing up each month like Fram Shell etc.
Originally Posted By: yaris0128
Wow! Great read. Blown away with the stats on Super Tech conventional!!! OMG the moly score blows away everything else even major label!?!? I dont know what to do anymore with my oil.....
+1. I was impressed by how well it compared to the major brands. And here its usually on sale for $3 or $4 a jug less than cheapest name brand on rollback. I`m still going to use syn in the winter, but I`m really liking this stuff for my spring-fall oil.
It not only has nice moly, but lots of zinc & phosphorous, low sulfur, low NOACK, lots of calcium, and a strong TBN. I couldn`t find anything about it that I didn`t like.
-Spyder
Wow! Great read. Blown away with the stats on Super Tech conventional!!! OMG the moly score blows away everything else even major label!?!? I dont know what to do anymore with my oil.....
+1. I was impressed by how well it compared to the major brands. And here its usually on sale for $3 or $4 a jug less than cheapest name brand on rollback. I`m still going to use syn in the winter, but I`m really liking this stuff for my spring-fall oil.
It not only has nice moly, but lots of zinc & phosphorous, low sulfur, low NOACK, lots of calcium, and a strong TBN. I couldn`t find anything about it that I didn`t like.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Originally Posted By: 3311
Why not want an oil with moly in it as well?
Different additives are used for different purposes. There is no reason to concentrate on Moly any more than another additive. Moly at one point (or still is), used as a friction modifier. But other additives that may or may not visible from an UOA can serve similar purposes.
I would think a more balanced add pack, on that includes moly for instance, would more beneficial.
Originally Posted By: 3311
Why not want an oil with moly in it as well?
Different additives are used for different purposes. There is no reason to concentrate on Moly any more than another additive. Moly at one point (or still is), used as a friction modifier. But other additives that may or may not visible from an UOA can serve similar purposes.
I would think a more balanced add pack, on that includes moly for instance, would more beneficial.
Originally Posted By: 3311
I would think a more balanced add pack, one that includes moly for instance, would more beneficial.
I have yet to see proof that the sole ingredient of Moly is exceptionally beneficial to an additive package, more so than another ingredient (e.g. Boron, Sodium, etc). There are many ways to skin a cat-- just like there are many ways to formulate an additive package. I am not a formulator, but it seems unlikely that there is one magic ingredient to this process. What I find interesting though, is that a number of users are on a "moly craze" and are extremely focused on that particular ingredient. No one has verified that Moly is really that beneficial, so why haven't people started chasing after Sodium or Boron is beyond me.
I would think a more balanced add pack, one that includes moly for instance, would more beneficial.
I have yet to see proof that the sole ingredient of Moly is exceptionally beneficial to an additive package, more so than another ingredient (e.g. Boron, Sodium, etc). There are many ways to skin a cat-- just like there are many ways to formulate an additive package. I am not a formulator, but it seems unlikely that there is one magic ingredient to this process. What I find interesting though, is that a number of users are on a "moly craze" and are extremely focused on that particular ingredient. No one has verified that Moly is really that beneficial, so why haven't people started chasing after Sodium or Boron is beyond me.
There is no such thing as a sole ingredient in an oil additive package, but moly is one of several proven ingredients. Motul, Red Line, Shell, Honda, etc. have proof that moly is good otherwise they would not have used a lot of it in their oils. Sodium and Boron have not long enough record for people to get on the bandwagon.
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