PQIA publishes analyses on five 5W-20 oils, and two have issues.
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Tom NJ/VA
Petroleum Quality Institute of America
Tom NJ/VA
PQIA analyzes five 5W-20s, two with issues, Feb 24
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Thanks Tom, I enjoy reading the PQIA test reports.
Thx for the posting. PQIA does very good and necessary work.
Thank you!!!!
The 3 that tested ok all have a nice dose of Moly and Boron, which is a plus for a budget oil.
Originally Posted By: Jimzz
Hahaha
"is compatible with SN, SM, SL and ILSAC GF-5 service classification."
Talk about weasel words. They are honest, they did not say it meets the API/SN spec.
And is named "MORGAS".
Hahaha
"is compatible with SN, SM, SL and ILSAC GF-5 service classification."
Talk about weasel words. They are honest, they did not say it meets the API/SN spec.
And is named "MORGAS".
It would seem easy to find good oil. Buy oil from a company you have heard of.
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
I always enjoy visiting PQI America, but I have to admit, I never hear of these consumer alert brands.
They are usually found in a Stop-n-Rob aka Convenience store. They have some oddball oils on the shelves sometimes. Whatever they can get for $.25/quart and mark up to $6/quart is all they are looking for it seems.
I always enjoy visiting PQI America, but I have to admit, I never hear of these consumer alert brands.
They are usually found in a Stop-n-Rob aka Convenience store. They have some oddball oils on the shelves sometimes. Whatever they can get for $.25/quart and mark up to $6/quart is all they are looking for it seems.
The MORGAS bottle actually looks well made, at least the label is clearly printed.
But
HOLY NOACK! 39.2!
But
HOLY NOACK! 39.2!
It seems that the Xcel line, and the Super XX brands are typically bad: they have more than one oil type on the "bad" list.
Originally Posted By: Jimzz
Talk about weasel words.
They're not really weasel words. They're accurate. The PQIA doesn't run the entire regimen of tests required for SN/GF-5 certification. It's a lot easier to demonstrate cheaply that the oil is out of spec, rather than within spec. A $30 VOA can show that the viscosity is totally wrong or that the phosphorus is out of whack. Those are enough to preclude GF-5 certification, for instance. Confirming the certification, however, takes a little more than checking viscosity, Noack, and running an elemental analysis.
I suppose the working assumption is that someone trying to cheat the consumer by selling something that can't meet the specification isn't going to have something that's pretty darned close. They're likely going to be offering something that's grossly unsuitable.
Talk about weasel words.
They're not really weasel words. They're accurate. The PQIA doesn't run the entire regimen of tests required for SN/GF-5 certification. It's a lot easier to demonstrate cheaply that the oil is out of spec, rather than within spec. A $30 VOA can show that the viscosity is totally wrong or that the phosphorus is out of whack. Those are enough to preclude GF-5 certification, for instance. Confirming the certification, however, takes a little more than checking viscosity, Noack, and running an elemental analysis.
I suppose the working assumption is that someone trying to cheat the consumer by selling something that can't meet the specification isn't going to have something that's pretty darned close. They're likely going to be offering something that's grossly unsuitable.
On the plus side, Havoline and O'R brand look respectable. Nice shot of moly in both, and at least in this sample, Havoline Noack looks good. Havoline a good everyday price at WM.
Thanks Tom.
Thanks Tom.
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
On the plus side, Havoline and O'R brand look respectable. Nice shot of moly in both, and at least in this sample, Havoline Noack looks good. Havoline a good everyday price at WM.
Thanks Tom.
Yup, Havoline is just as good and not inferior to any oil from any major oil company. When you buy Havoline your buying oil, not marketing expenses.
On the plus side, Havoline and O'R brand look respectable. Nice shot of moly in both, and at least in this sample, Havoline Noack looks good. Havoline a good everyday price at WM.
Thanks Tom.
Yup, Havoline is just as good and not inferior to any oil from any major oil company. When you buy Havoline your buying oil, not marketing expenses.
Originally Posted By: alarmguy
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
On the plus side, Havoline and O'R brand look respectable. Nice shot of moly in both, and at least in this sample, Havoline Noack looks good. Havoline a good everyday price at WM.
Thanks Tom.
Yup, Havoline is just as good and not inferior to any oil from any major oil company. When you buy Havoline your buying oil, not marketing expenses.
And that is why they are not on the shelf at Advance auto anymore. Sad thing is people love to say Ads don't work on them, yet the stuff that advertises the most seems to sell the most as well.
Originally Posted By: Sayjac
On the plus side, Havoline and O'R brand look respectable. Nice shot of moly in both, and at least in this sample, Havoline Noack looks good. Havoline a good everyday price at WM.
Thanks Tom.
Yup, Havoline is just as good and not inferior to any oil from any major oil company. When you buy Havoline your buying oil, not marketing expenses.
And that is why they are not on the shelf at Advance auto anymore. Sad thing is people love to say Ads don't work on them, yet the stuff that advertises the most seems to sell the most as well.
Yeah I have to agree. At my Walmarts Yorktown and Mechanicsville near me don't carry Havoline anymore either. And O Reilly's is likely getting rid of Havoline Pro DS and conventional as well. So, by Havoline will be gone completely from SE Va before too long. And I don't like it at all. Havoline Pro DS is a very good oil that runs very good in my Altima 3.5.
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