I'll even attempt to bring this back on topic at the end of the post.....
...and I can't believe that this is such a difficult thing to realize given the intellectual firepower present here.
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Gary, the statistics are NOT misleading. When you compare airtravel vs. car travel using equal time, airtravel is safer. One is safer flying eight hours a day (including the average number of takeoffs/landings) than driving eight hours a day. The statistics are there.
Sure they're there ..and they give you only ONE dimension of travel based on deaths per 100,000 miles. You can't take a 757 to the corner store ..or to McDonalds ..or back and forth to your office for a 25 mile commute. An aircraft accumulates SOOOOOOO many more miles with SOOOO many more passenger PER EVENT. To transport THAT many people THAT far would require hundreds of "events" that could result in a fatailty in an automobile. The deck is severely stacked in favor of the commercial aircraft.
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Where did that one come from, the evening news? Aviation is my profession and I have read hundreds of NTSB reports. NTSB accident reports are public record and show the true story, but the only ones reported in the media are the fatalites, just like traffic accidents. When was the last time a non-fatal car crash was "newsworthy"?
Hockey ...let's get REAL ...you take ALL the crashes for aircraft ..all of them. What % end with fatalities? Compare that to the VAST VAST VAST number of accidents in automobiles that DO NOT EVEN result in INJURIES. You're right ..you don't see parking lot fender benders in the news either.
Aircraft lose.
Let's put this in perspective...
Take the Space Shuttle ...let's say over the history of shuttle use ...it's gone on 400 missions (a ficticious number that I just pulled out of my A$$). Each mission covers over a million miles ...sometimes multiple millions of miles. Probably, based on deaths per 100,000 miles ...is the safest vehicle to be in ..."in motion" in the known (to us) universe.
But you tell me that you would get in any vehicle that had a proven record to have an assured 100% fatality rate for all passengers once every 200 times you get in it (again the 200 is just a "what if" number)???
This is the magnetude of the difference between automobile travel and commercial air travel.
Do the lightbulbs flicker yet???
...I'll even go one further ...
Make a revolver that has as many chambers as required to represent the odds of a fatailty (one could argure 50/50- but for the moment let's say it is 1 in 1000. Place a round in the chamber. EVERY DRIVER places the gun to his/her head two or three times a day. Mulitiply that by 60 million plus drivers daily ...and YOU WILL HAVE FATALITIES.
..all the while ALL the pilots on the PLANET might not suffer one a week.
The distance/people template used to determine the "safety" aspect of air travel is ONLY favorable because of the MASS people/miles that they typically accumulate PER EVENT.
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quote:Originally posted by Gary Allan:
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Remeber ..figures don't lie ...but liars do figure
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Oh well, at this point all I can say is a few words of wisdom passed onto to me by my late Father. "Son, you can't argue with ignorance."
Do I know you? Have I lied to you? How you integrated this on a personal level is beyond me. No insult was intended ....but given your response ..I'm not falling backwards in apology either.
The term ..for your education "Figures don't lie ..but liars do figure" refers to those who quote ONE statistic ..or few statistics that support their postion ..but fail to mention the unique condtions that make it so. It also applies to "play on word" type statistics.
For example: Women who are murdered are almost always murdered by their spouse. This is a statistic that one women's group against violence asserts. It is geared against men. The same data base reveiled that WHENEVER a woman commits murder ..it's almost always against her spouse. This part was ignored. So, as flawed barbarians ...we only subject our spouses to murder a very small percentage of the time we are being leathal barbarians ...while pure and bonevelent women can only muster such rage for their male partners.
See how you can "spin" a statistic????
Hockey ..back to CAFE!!!!
Three cars:
10 mpg car
20 mpg car
30 mpg car
What's your CAFE number??? 20? No..
10 mile cycle:
10 mpg car consumed 1 gallon
20 mpg car cosumed .500 gallons
30 mpg car consumed .333 gallons
Total consumption = 1.83 gallons
Total miles = 30
Average fuel economy= 16.37 mpg
Figures don't lie ..but liars do figure ..if you want to "lead" (or mislead) someone to your point of view...you just manipulate the data to suit your needs.
