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Good topic and conversation. This one leaves me on the fence. I didn't know [some?] race teams used anything other than the sponsorship oil. Interesting.
Porsche's own factory race team apparently uses M1 0w-40 FS
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From this old thread, where Johnny (SOPUS employee) attended the 24hrs of Daytona:
24 Hours of Daytona
Well gentlemen, my plane ride leaves for Daytona at 2:00 PM this afternoon. My son is already there with the motor home set up trackside and ready to go, and I can't wait. Will be back home late Sunday night and if I'm not to tired, I will report. Lord, I love live road racing at 3:00 AM in the...
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Johnny said:
Johnny said:
In Topeka for the HeartlandNats. Maybe I'll pick up some Supertech oil from Walmart, place then conspicuously around the Pit, and have Bruno come over and interview us...
I remember seeing this.
There was also something NASCAR teams using basic Blue Cap M1 5W30.
I have been using a bottle of 25-60 aviation oil as my top-off bottle because it has a handy-dandy long neck. The product inside is actually M1 0W-40. I have been asked "Why do you put aviation oil in your BMW?"
Yes, absolutely! When they brought the 919 Hybrid LMP out to do exhibition laps I watched it from the grandstands near turn 4 and it was so unnatural seeing that car slow down. It really looked like a ship exiting hyperspace as it approached a corner. I didn't get any of this when watching WEC races on TV. The other surprising thing was just how quiet it was in comparison to the RSRs. In retrospect it's unsurprising seeing as how it's a turbo V4 with a KERS system but I didn't expect the difference to be that big.
And speaking of that weird V4, it was surreal just being able to walk up to it and photograph it uncovered. Porsche had just exited the LMP category in WEC so they weren't trying to hide anything anymore but it just felt strange considering the amount of secrecy they were holding a few months prior.
I have been using a bottle of 25-60 aviation oil as my top-off bottle because it has a handy-dandy long neck. The product inside is actually M1 0W-40. I have been asked "Why do you put aviation oil in your BMW?"
Cause it gives the car wings, duh...
Mobil 1 is good stuff I hope they won
I was running M1 0W40FS at 293 in BMW and didn’t use a drop of it.
I bet they can keep it much lower.
In past years, the Porsche team was using a Mobil bottle but it was very generic looking -- implying something custom. Have the WEC rules changed with regards to the oil they must use? M1 0w40 is good stuff, but these guys just need the engine to last 24 hours and 1 minute...very different from a street car.
You guys thinking this is off-the-shelf M1 definitely don't know the truth about race teams and certainly have never worked for one! Its called PUBLICITY and SPONSORSHIP. When I worked for Team PTG BMW North America Race team, we were sponsored by Castrol but I can surely tell you we weren't pouring anything off the shelf in those 450hp 3.2l engines that lasted 24 hours...
However, we did use off the shelf stuff at the shop when dyno testing and breaking engines in but that was the only time.
Yes, I did build the engines that Bill Auberlen, Boris Said and Hahns Stuck ran back in 99-2001 for BMW Team PTG so I can gladly attest to these facts.
However, we did use off the shelf stuff at the shop when dyno testing and breaking engines in but that was the only time.
Yes, I did build the engines that Bill Auberlen, Boris Said and Hahns Stuck ran back in 99-2001 for BMW Team PTG so I can gladly attest to these facts.
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You guys thinking this is off-the-shelf M1 definitely don't know the truth about race teams and certainly have never worked for one! Its called PUBLICITY and SPONSORSHIP. When I worked for Team PTG BMW North America Race team, we were sponsored by Castrol but I can surely tell you we weren't pouring anything off the shelf in those 450hp 3.2l engines that lasted 24 hours...
However, we did use off the shelf stuff at the shop when dyno testing and breaking engines in but that was the only time.
Yes, I did build the engines that Bill Auberlen, Boris Said and Hahns Stuck ran back in 99-2001 for BMW Team PTG so I can gladly attest to these facts.
What's your take on the quotes I posted from Johnny when he was talking to the Engineers above as well as @Doug Hillary posting on his observations of attending the 24hr races with the Engineers from Porsche?
Seems BMW is pretty secretive (from Johnny's, and your posts) but Porsche isn't.
BMW has always been secretive... but we made sure we had those black Castrol bottles around and in the pits at races to keep that money coming in.
I've been out of it for so long now though its hard to say. I still have a few friends on the Turner BMW team that I can reach out to though. Maybe I'll see if they can tell me what oils they use these days. Likely Motul or Redline custom blends.
What oils were you using back then?You guys thinking this is off-the-shelf M1 definitely don't know the truth about race teams and certainly have never worked for one! Its called PUBLICITY and SPONSORSHIP. When I worked for Team PTG BMW North America Race team, we were sponsored by Castrol but I can surely tell you we weren't pouring anything off the shelf in those 450hp 3.2l engines that lasted 24 hours...
However, we did use off the shelf stuff at the shop when dyno testing and breaking engines in but that was the only time.
Yes, I did build the engines that Bill Auberlen, Boris Said and Hahns Stuck ran back in 99-2001 for BMW Team PTG so I can gladly attest to these facts.
The OP was about a 991 RSR demo. Not a 24 hr race. I see no issue of M1 off the shelf for that application.
24 hour races are around 3,500 miles. That's still a pretty short OCI
I don't know the point of these anecdotes. The only relevant information would be if you were currently in racing and could attest whether or not any teams were using a given oil. I'm not saying there isn't funny business going on. But M1 0W-40 FS is considered a racing oil...
This website claims they're using is:
www.mobil.com
This website lists their racing oils and lists it:
www.mobil.com
24 hour races are around 3,500 miles. That's still a pretty short OCI
I don't know the point of these anecdotes. The only relevant information would be if you were currently in racing and could attest whether or not any teams were using a given oil. I'm not saying there isn't funny business going on. But M1 0W-40 FS is considered a racing oil...
This website claims they're using is:
Porsche Mobil 1™ Supercup race | Mobil™
Learn why the Mobil 1™ brand became the title sponsor of the Porsche Mobil 1™ Supercup and the chosen full synthetic motor oil to provide optimal performance.
www.mobil.com
This website lists their racing oils and lists it:
Racing Oil | Mobil™ Motor Oils
Mobil 1 Racing™ oils for are designed to maximize performance and horsepower on the track.
www.mobil.com
Wasn't that the E46M3 with the M5 V8 shoehorned under the hood?You guys thinking this is off-the-shelf M1 definitely don't know the truth about race teams and certainly have never worked for one! Its called PUBLICITY and SPONSORSHIP. When I worked for Team PTG BMW North America Race team, we were sponsored by Castrol but I can surely tell you we weren't pouring anything off the shelf in those 450hp 3.2l engines that lasted 24 hours...
However, we did use off the shelf stuff at the shop when dyno testing and breaking engines in but that was the only time.
Yes, I did build the engines that Bill Auberlen, Boris Said and Hahns Stuck ran back in 99-2001 for BMW Team PTG so I can gladly attest to these facts.
24hrs IMO will go with heavier weight. I highly doubt anything lower than XXW50.The OP was about a 991 RSR demo. Not a 24 hr race. I see no issue of M1 off the shelf for that application.
24 hour races are around 3,500 miles. That's still a pretty short OCI
I don't know the point of these anecdotes. The only relevant information would be if you were currently in racing and could attest whether or not any teams were using a given oil. I'm not saying there isn't funny business going on. But M1 0W-40 FS is considered a racing oil...
This website claims they're using is:
Porsche Mobil 1™ Supercup race | Mobil™
Learn why the Mobil 1™ brand became the title sponsor of the Porsche Mobil 1™ Supercup and the chosen full synthetic motor oil to provide optimal performance.
This website lists their racing oils and lists it:
Racing Oil | Mobil™ Motor Oils
Mobil 1 Racing™ oils for are designed to maximize performance and horsepower on the track.
I tend to agree. Wouldn't surprise me if they are using something similar to M1 15w50 or even the M1R 0w50.
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