I hear that Poorboys "Fancy" high end detailing products was just rebottled express detailing products. What a gip? chemicalguys.com = Poorboys
Poorboys is just cheap rebottled junk?
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Originally Posted By: sammy
I hear that Poorboys "Fancy" high end detailing products was just rebottled express detailing products. What a gip? chemicalguys.com = Poorboys
Don't know where you heard this from but it's wrong. Poorboys make their own line of products and none of their products are what you would call "high end". They are good quality products at a reasonable price.
Chemical Guys also have their own line of products and they offer a "whitelabelling" service for a number of "private" labels. There are rumours that certain "high end" products such as Adam's are rebadged CG's but Adam's denies this. Check the Adam's site and then check the CG's site and make up your own mind.
Doesn't matter either way. Both Poorboys and Chemical Guys make high quality products. CG's Pete'53 Wax is brilliant. Poorboys Natty Paste Wax has a good following too. I use products from both these companies. They are not the same that's for sure.
I hear that Poorboys "Fancy" high end detailing products was just rebottled express detailing products. What a gip? chemicalguys.com = Poorboys
Don't know where you heard this from but it's wrong. Poorboys make their own line of products and none of their products are what you would call "high end". They are good quality products at a reasonable price.
Chemical Guys also have their own line of products and they offer a "whitelabelling" service for a number of "private" labels. There are rumours that certain "high end" products such as Adam's are rebadged CG's but Adam's denies this. Check the Adam's site and then check the CG's site and make up your own mind.
Doesn't matter either way. Both Poorboys and Chemical Guys make high quality products. CG's Pete'53 Wax is brilliant. Poorboys Natty Paste Wax has a good following too. I use products from both these companies. They are not the same that's for sure.
A silly rumor that resurfaces every now and then. Poorboy offers darn good products at reasonable prices. They are not a relabel and frankly, I couldn't care less if they were.
Fancy? High end? In fact they are quite the opposite......I don't know where these khrap (and pointless) rumors come from. Oh right, it's the internet so anything goes.
Fancy? High end? In fact they are quite the opposite......I don't know where these khrap (and pointless) rumors come from. Oh right, it's the internet so anything goes.
It is always an interesting discussion about CG and their work for resellers. Many resellers do not want you to know nor would admit. I am sure no one would ever not tell the honest truth. I have a chemist I can mix Optimum Polish and Compound so does that make me a chemist? They never seem them name their chemist. Please note most companies contract work and using a chemist with the other company is still having a chemist....get it...
I do not really think it matters as long as the price is reasonable or you like the customer service. However, in the 16oz sizes CG never sells less than the resellers (everything seems to be about the same price). I would tend to buy from the seller since you will usually get better customer service.
I do not really think it matters as long as the price is reasonable or you like the customer service. However, in the 16oz sizes CG never sells less than the resellers (everything seems to be about the same price). I would tend to buy from the seller since you will usually get better customer service.
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It's just coincidence that every product poorboys carries looks exactly like chemical guys? Including their compounds which not only look exactly alike but follow the same "CUT" per color? Give me a break, non of you are objective, do some research.
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Regardless whether PB takes advantage of CG's private labeling program, CG makes some excellent products (that I have used) and so I would not generalize them as cheap rebottled junk.
Have you ever used a CG product? What is your agenda in putting down both of these companies?
Have you ever used a CG product? What is your agenda in putting down both of these companies?
Originally Posted By: sammy
It's just coincidence that every product poorboys carries looks exactly like chemical guys? Including their compounds which not only look exactly alike but follow the same "CUT" per color? Give me a break, non of you are objective, do some research.
I do sport, it's called using the products!
I use the products from both companies and they are NOT the same. How about you give us a break, open your wallet, buy some and try them yourself before you start taking shots at others. If you don't like the answers you get, don't ask the question!
It never occurred to you that packaging is provided to multiple companies by packaging suppliers and that cost conscious product manufacturers may use the same suppliers? Same with Pigments?
It's just coincidence that every product poorboys carries looks exactly like chemical guys? Including their compounds which not only look exactly alike but follow the same "CUT" per color? Give me a break, non of you are objective, do some research.
I do sport, it's called using the products!
I use the products from both companies and they are NOT the same. How about you give us a break, open your wallet, buy some and try them yourself before you start taking shots at others. If you don't like the answers you get, don't ask the question!
It never occurred to you that packaging is provided to multiple companies by packaging suppliers and that cost conscious product manufacturers may use the same suppliers? Same with Pigments?
I've used Chemical Guys stuff and it is a good product, but it's not the class of the high end durable products. I didn't mean to call their stuff "junk", I was eluding more to the point that anyone who wants to use that type of product, they should go direct to the source instead of paying 500% markup for Poorboys labeling. No Agenda, just the truth, what is your agenda?
All I want is to put a product on my car and have it last 6 months, I get pizzed when I shell out twenty bucks and the beading is long gone after the first wash. Chemical Guys is easy to use and most people would like that. I don't mind a little extra work up front to have my shine last 6 months. In fact I use two high end product lines (sealants that look like the best wax out there) that both last over 9 months, and one even a year. I haven't detailed wifes vehicle for over 9 months because it still beads like when I first waxed it nearly a year ago.
I think Chemical Guys was clearly meant to be used in proffesional car wash "in and out" type places as opposed to being used by someone who wants the best possible product for their car. It's no secret that is how they marketed their company in the past as a bulk lineup, only recently going to smaller sizes and going after the consumer dollars. And please don't insult me by saying Poorboys makes all their own stuff, lol. There is mercky waters in da-nile. Anyhow, anyone want to use Poorboys save some money and by direct from Chemical Guys, I wont continue this agrument so all you fella's take the last word. Call me names, hide the truth, whatever your pleasure. I enjoy this website for what it is, a way to the truth about lubrication and other car care products.
All I want is to put a product on my car and have it last 6 months, I get pizzed when I shell out twenty bucks and the beading is long gone after the first wash. Chemical Guys is easy to use and most people would like that. I don't mind a little extra work up front to have my shine last 6 months. In fact I use two high end product lines (sealants that look like the best wax out there) that both last over 9 months, and one even a year. I haven't detailed wifes vehicle for over 9 months because it still beads like when I first waxed it nearly a year ago.
I think Chemical Guys was clearly meant to be used in proffesional car wash "in and out" type places as opposed to being used by someone who wants the best possible product for their car. It's no secret that is how they marketed their company in the past as a bulk lineup, only recently going to smaller sizes and going after the consumer dollars. And please don't insult me by saying Poorboys makes all their own stuff, lol. There is mercky waters in da-nile. Anyhow, anyone want to use Poorboys save some money and by direct from Chemical Guys, I wont continue this agrument so all you fella's take the last word. Call me names, hide the truth, whatever your pleasure. I enjoy this website for what it is, a way to the truth about lubrication and other car care products.
Think whatever you want, frankly who cares? I have used Poorboys products for seven years on a professional level as well as Chemical Guys. CG doesn't come close to what PB products can do in achieving paint correction or durability which is why I gave the CG products away. Grape, pink tan, blue, and white are found in almost every product line regardless of the name. Does that mean they all come from CG? Of course not.
If it is your life's quest to find out about Poorboys products then call the owner, his name is Steve.
If it is your life's quest to find out about Poorboys products then call the owner, his name is Steve.
Originally Posted By: sammy
I hear that Poorboys "Fancy" high end detailing products was just rebottled express detailing products. What a gip? chemicalguys.com = Poorboys
so really "you think" that PB is relabeled CG.
I hear that Poorboys "Fancy" high end detailing products was just rebottled express detailing products. What a gip? chemicalguys.com = Poorboys
so really "you think" that PB is relabeled CG.
Originally Posted By: sammy
I've used Chemical Guys stuff and it is a good product, but it's not the class of the high end durable products....No Agenda, just the truth, what is your agenda?
I don't have an agenda and I don't think anyone else that has posted in this thread has either, except for you.
Originally Posted By: sammy
In fact I use two high end product lines (sealants that look like the best wax out there) that both last over 9 months, and one even a year.
Provide names of what you consider to be "high end" if you are going to make statements like this. There are numerous ones available (Swissvax, Zymol and Menzerna to name a few) and Zaino is NOT a "high end" product line in comparison to the ones stated above.
Originally Posted By: sammy
I think Chemical Guys was clearly meant to be used in proffesional car wash "in and out" type places as opposed to being used by someone who wants the best possible product for their car.
You haven't used many products then have you. CG's products are excellent. I have also used Swissvax Mystery, Zymol Carbon/Japon/Titanium and Dodo Wax to name a few and find the performance of CG's products to be as good. Try their Wet Mirror Shine Sealant topped with Pete's 53 wax and you might learn something.
Originally Posted By: sammy
And please don't insult me by saying Poorboys makes all their own stuff, lol. There is mercky waters in da-nile. Anyhow, anyone want to use Poorboys save some money and by direct from Chemical Guys, I wont continue this agrument so all you fella's take the last word.
Make a statement and then run away because you don't like the responses. I suggest that you join some Detailing Forums. You might learn a thing or two.
Originally Posted By: sammy
Call me names, hide the truth, whatever your pleasure. I enjoy this website for what it is, a way to the truth about lubrication and other car care products.
No one has called anyone names that I can see in this thread.
My general impression is that you are seeking the "lazy option" for maintaining your cars finish. Longevity is only a part of it.
To give you an example, I follow a standard regimen with all my vehicles every 3 months. I am happy to post details of that regimen and the products that I use if requested.
This isn't a pizzing contest but it is not unreasonable to expect you to put up valid evidence of your claims re Poorboys.
I've used Chemical Guys stuff and it is a good product, but it's not the class of the high end durable products....No Agenda, just the truth, what is your agenda?
I don't have an agenda and I don't think anyone else that has posted in this thread has either, except for you.
Originally Posted By: sammy
In fact I use two high end product lines (sealants that look like the best wax out there) that both last over 9 months, and one even a year.
Provide names of what you consider to be "high end" if you are going to make statements like this. There are numerous ones available (Swissvax, Zymol and Menzerna to name a few) and Zaino is NOT a "high end" product line in comparison to the ones stated above.
Originally Posted By: sammy
I think Chemical Guys was clearly meant to be used in proffesional car wash "in and out" type places as opposed to being used by someone who wants the best possible product for their car.
You haven't used many products then have you. CG's products are excellent. I have also used Swissvax Mystery, Zymol Carbon/Japon/Titanium and Dodo Wax to name a few and find the performance of CG's products to be as good. Try their Wet Mirror Shine Sealant topped with Pete's 53 wax and you might learn something.
Originally Posted By: sammy
And please don't insult me by saying Poorboys makes all their own stuff, lol. There is mercky waters in da-nile. Anyhow, anyone want to use Poorboys save some money and by direct from Chemical Guys, I wont continue this agrument so all you fella's take the last word.
Make a statement and then run away because you don't like the responses. I suggest that you join some Detailing Forums. You might learn a thing or two.
Originally Posted By: sammy
Call me names, hide the truth, whatever your pleasure. I enjoy this website for what it is, a way to the truth about lubrication and other car care products.
No one has called anyone names that I can see in this thread.
My general impression is that you are seeking the "lazy option" for maintaining your cars finish. Longevity is only a part of it.
To give you an example, I follow a standard regimen with all my vehicles every 3 months. I am happy to post details of that regimen and the products that I use if requested.
This isn't a pizzing contest but it is not unreasonable to expect you to put up valid evidence of your claims re Poorboys.
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Steve will not tell you where his factory is. He insists he has his own chemist but I would assume he uses a consultant to formulate products. If he clarified several rumors, he could stop some of the gossip.
If I was in the biz like Steve and did not want to have them associated with anyone, I would go out of my way to make my products look and smell different than CG or anyone else.
I believe CG does make some of his products (like the SSR) but they are not the same formulas. For example, I could see CG probably optimizes their bulk products for use with rotaries since they sell to time constrained detailing shops where maybe PB is optimize for DA. This distinction would be a different formula and behave differently. Meg's does this with their consumer and detailer lines such as NXT and #21.
If I was in the biz like Steve and did not want to have them associated with anyone, I would go out of my way to make my products look and smell different than CG or anyone else.
I believe CG does make some of his products (like the SSR) but they are not the same formulas. For example, I could see CG probably optimizes their bulk products for use with rotaries since they sell to time constrained detailing shops where maybe PB is optimize for DA. This distinction would be a different formula and behave differently. Meg's does this with their consumer and detailer lines such as NXT and #21.
I'd be careful comparing a small, family owned company like Poorboys to an industry giant like Meguiars.
Even the large car wax companies only staff one full time chemist. Meguiars does about $150 million a year in sales and they only have one chemist, AFAIK. Mothers has one, don't know how many Turtle Wax has on staff but it's probably not more than 3 or 4.
A little car wax company run out of someone's basement is not going to have a chemist on the payroll unless they're an investor or company owner. It's possible for a small company to have a chemist on retainer, sort of like hiring a temp worker, but unless you're doing $10 million a year in sales or are in the business of developing chemical products, you're not going to be paying some guy to play around with car wax formulas unless you really need them.
It's very easy to be in the car wax business, anyone here could do it. Plenty of companies like Warner Chemical (CG's parent company) will sell you entire product lines including packaging, bottling, labeling, etc. You commit to a minimum order, develop the branding and artwork, and they pretty much do the rest. Depending on your order you may have some influence over the color and scent of your products but that's about it. No one is going to let you "tweak the formulas to your specifications" unless you're willing to pay for the development and testing. You take what they already produce and resell it as your own brand, but the stuff in the bottle is pretty much the same as every other customer who buys from that mfr.
Customized product formulas cost mega $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and the vast majority of car wax guys simply do not have the money, nor does it make financial sense to dump millions into developing a unique product line in a business that's flooded with products sold by huge corporations.
Even the large car wax companies only staff one full time chemist. Meguiars does about $150 million a year in sales and they only have one chemist, AFAIK. Mothers has one, don't know how many Turtle Wax has on staff but it's probably not more than 3 or 4.
A little car wax company run out of someone's basement is not going to have a chemist on the payroll unless they're an investor or company owner. It's possible for a small company to have a chemist on retainer, sort of like hiring a temp worker, but unless you're doing $10 million a year in sales or are in the business of developing chemical products, you're not going to be paying some guy to play around with car wax formulas unless you really need them.
It's very easy to be in the car wax business, anyone here could do it. Plenty of companies like Warner Chemical (CG's parent company) will sell you entire product lines including packaging, bottling, labeling, etc. You commit to a minimum order, develop the branding and artwork, and they pretty much do the rest. Depending on your order you may have some influence over the color and scent of your products but that's about it. No one is going to let you "tweak the formulas to your specifications" unless you're willing to pay for the development and testing. You take what they already produce and resell it as your own brand, but the stuff in the bottle is pretty much the same as every other customer who buys from that mfr.
Customized product formulas cost mega $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and the vast majority of car wax guys simply do not have the money, nor does it make financial sense to dump millions into developing a unique product line in a business that's flooded with products sold by huge corporations.
Originally Posted By: RTexasF
Think whatever you want, frankly who cares? I have used Poorboys products for seven years on a professional level as well as Chemical Guys. CG doesn't come close to what PB products can do in achieving paint correction or durability which is why I gave the CG products away. Grape, pink tan, blue, and white are found in almost every product line regardless of the name. Does that mean they all come from CG? Of course not.
If it is your life's quest to find out about Poorboys products then call the owner, his name is Steve.
Funny, I will take CG over poorboys. Example, I used to use Nattys blue but it LACKS longevity, durability etc compared to CG5050..
The ONLY Poorbos product I liked was there spray and rinse but it is not needed most times.
Lastly there SSR line is junk..It is a mjaor dust storm and dweel time is like zero..My go-to compound is OC and OHC.
I am not 100% CG but I like 20% of there stuff; that is 19% more then PB stuff.
Think whatever you want, frankly who cares? I have used Poorboys products for seven years on a professional level as well as Chemical Guys. CG doesn't come close to what PB products can do in achieving paint correction or durability which is why I gave the CG products away. Grape, pink tan, blue, and white are found in almost every product line regardless of the name. Does that mean they all come from CG? Of course not.
If it is your life's quest to find out about Poorboys products then call the owner, his name is Steve.
Funny, I will take CG over poorboys. Example, I used to use Nattys blue but it LACKS longevity, durability etc compared to CG5050..
The ONLY Poorbos product I liked was there spray and rinse but it is not needed most times.
Lastly there SSR line is junk..It is a mjaor dust storm and dweel time is like zero..My go-to compound is OC and OHC.
I am not 100% CG but I like 20% of there stuff; that is 19% more then PB stuff.
I use different products for different purposes. If I want a compound, my choice is Menzerna. Wheel Cleaner then Poorboys. Waxes - Swissvax, Zymol, Pinnacle or Chemical Guys. QD - Meg's or Duragloss etc.
I agree that most boutique's will not "Manufacture" their product line themselves however they will source them from a number of different sources and the potential to "tweak" generally exists to a greater or lesser degree (as long as you have the $$$). To make blanket statements that X Brand is the same as Y brand without evidence is not on however.
This is no different to oils. Pennzoil, QS are owned by Shell, Castrol owned by BP. These manufacturer's will be standardising their offerings under these brands where possible.
I agree that most boutique's will not "Manufacture" their product line themselves however they will source them from a number of different sources and the potential to "tweak" generally exists to a greater or lesser degree (as long as you have the $$$). To make blanket statements that X Brand is the same as Y brand without evidence is not on however.
This is no different to oils. Pennzoil, QS are owned by Shell, Castrol owned by BP. These manufacturer's will be standardising their offerings under these brands where possible.
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Funny, I will take CG over poorboys. Example, I used to use Nattys blue but it LACKS longevity, durability etc compared to CG5050..
The ONLY Poorbos product I liked was there spray and rinse but it is not needed most times.
Lastly there SSR line is junk..It is a mjaor dust storm and dweel time is like zero..My go-to compound is OC and OHC.
I am not 100% CG but I like 20% of there stuff; that is 19% more then PB stuff.
I have no such dusting problems with the SSR line of polishes. I have not used any of the waxes from PB so can't comment on that. CG makes so many products it would be just about impossible to try them all but I was not impressed with those that I did use. I also use and like Optimum products.
Funny, I will take CG over poorboys. Example, I used to use Nattys blue but it LACKS longevity, durability etc compared to CG5050..
The ONLY Poorbos product I liked was there spray and rinse but it is not needed most times.
Lastly there SSR line is junk..It is a mjaor dust storm and dweel time is like zero..My go-to compound is OC and OHC.
I am not 100% CG but I like 20% of there stuff; that is 19% more then PB stuff.
I have no such dusting problems with the SSR line of polishes. I have not used any of the waxes from PB so can't comment on that. CG makes so many products it would be just about impossible to try them all but I was not impressed with those that I did use. I also use and like Optimum products.
Originally Posted By: RTexasF
I have no such dusting problems with the SSR line of polishes. I have not used any of the waxes from PB so can't comment on that. CG makes so many products it would be just about impossible to try them all but I was not impressed with those that I did use. I also use and like Optimum products.
You do not use a rotary machine then. Yes a rotary at 1,200 rpms and watch the dust storm. Then use OC or OHC..1,000 x better. I only tried PB leather stuff (junk), Nattys blue (junk), there super slick (junk), Ex-p (junk+), Spray & Gloss (super junk), Spray & Wipe (worthless), QW+ (junk+) and there complete SSR line (junk). I did like there natural look but grew up to a better line. A few hundred wasted after certain peopel said it was great. wrong.
I will take Optimum, ClearKote, Cg5050 and JW over anything to date.
I have no such dusting problems with the SSR line of polishes. I have not used any of the waxes from PB so can't comment on that. CG makes so many products it would be just about impossible to try them all but I was not impressed with those that I did use. I also use and like Optimum products.
You do not use a rotary machine then. Yes a rotary at 1,200 rpms and watch the dust storm. Then use OC or OHC..1,000 x better. I only tried PB leather stuff (junk), Nattys blue (junk), there super slick (junk), Ex-p (junk+), Spray & Gloss (super junk), Spray & Wipe (worthless), QW+ (junk+) and there complete SSR line (junk). I did like there natural look but grew up to a better line. A few hundred wasted after certain peopel said it was great. wrong.
I will take Optimum, ClearKote, Cg5050 and JW over anything to date.
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