Please, maintain your tires properly

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Originally Posted by Kira
What's that chart with the blue bars ducked posted?


Rainfall.

There essentially isn't supposed to be any here for the next 6 months, so those "slicks" would likely outperform anything else on the street.

Tempting, but i seem to have forgotten how to use tyre irons (and/or the ones I've got are no good)
 
Originally Posted by SirTanon
Won't be long before the belts on that tire start failing.. So the good news is that car will (probably) see at least 1 new tire in the coming months.

As far as me and my cars go - if the tread gets down to 4/32, I start looking for new tires.


I had a quick search for how much rubber was likely to left when the sipes are gone, and couldn't find any numbers.

(Theres some youtube videos but I can't be bothered with that). The existence of Shannow's gizmo suggests that (at least on truck tyres) it must be enough to cut in to.

Anyway, if you aint got thread, you got tread.
 
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Ducked...guys I used to know who hillclimbed made their own "wets" by grooving slicks.
The motorcross guys made their own supersecret tread pattern.
BJ Barlin the madman from Brindabella would remove the tread wear indicators...and/or make the grooves a little deeper...he didn't earn his nickname for nothing.
 
Originally Posted by Ducked
Originally Posted by SirTanon
Won't be long before the belts on that tire start failing.. So the good news is that car will (probably) see at least 1 new tire in the coming months.

As far as me and my cars go - if the tread gets down to 4/32, I start looking for new tires.


I had a quick search for how much rubber was likely to left when the sipes are gone, and couldn't find any numbers.



Silly me.

When the sipes are JUST gone (which is what that tyre looks like) the thickness of the tyre is EXACTLY the same as it always was.....er....bleedin' obviously.

(Surprised y'all didn't give me the ol' LOL / Howls of Derisive Laughter, Bruce for that one.)

Sooo... (Taking uniform wear across the tyre width as a simplifying assumption)...if you aint got thread, you got tread.

IF you didn't have uniform wear (as is likely) and you wanted to be cautious, you could take first sipe disappearance as a condemnation limit, but then you'd probably be losing some of the dry performance advantage of bald tyres, as well as wasting some rubber.
 
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Originally Posted by Ducked


IF you didn't have uniform wear (as is likely) and you wanted to be cautious, you could take first sipe disappearance as a condemnation limit, but then you'd probably be losing some of the dry performance advantage of bald tyres, as well as wasting some rubber.


bald tires are not road legal here. The legal limit is 2/32 afaik.
 
Legality or not, the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance.

I don't think the rubber would be softer, but then again, could it be both harder (less compliant) yet quicker to wear off?

Asking for a friend. [Who might be a bit ducked in the head.] [I crack me up.]

Makes sense to me, dry weather tires don't need tread. Heck wet weather tires don't need tread either--as long as you go slow enough. Bicycle tires, at least road tires, do just fine with no tread whatsoever, even in the rain.
 
Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by Ducked


IF you didn't have uniform wear (as is likely) and you wanted to be cautious, you could take first sipe disappearance as a condemnation limit, but then you'd probably be losing some of the dry performance advantage of bald tyres, as well as wasting some rubber.


bald tires are not road legal here. The legal limit is 2/32 afaik.


Yeah, must be brain damaged to try and drive on bald tires. Always knew there was a reason Ducked is on "ignore". This is another GREAT reason
 
Originally Posted by supton
Legality or not, the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance.

I don't think the rubber would be softer, but then again, could it be both harder (less compliant) yet quicker to wear off?

Asking for a friend. [Who might be a bit ducked in the head.] [I crack me up.]

Makes sense to me, dry weather tires don't need tread. Heck wet weather tires don't need tread either--as long as you go slow enough. Bicycle tires, at least road tires, do just fine with no tread whatsoever, even in the rain.


Go ahead and drive on them. I'll stay where I am and safe. Forget I even posted about this as some folks are plain nuts!
 
Originally Posted by 53' Stude
Originally Posted by supton
Legality or not, the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance.

I don't think the rubber would be softer, but then again, could it be both harder (less compliant) yet quicker to wear off?

Asking for a friend. [Who might be a bit ducked in the head.] [I crack me up.]

Makes sense to me, dry weather tires don't need tread. Heck wet weather tires don't need tread either--as long as you go slow enough. Bicycle tires, at least road tires, do just fine with no tread whatsoever, even in the rain.


Go ahead and drive on them. I'll stay where I am and safe. Forget I even posted about this as some folks are plain nuts!


I'm Johnny Johnson and I approve this message.
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Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by Ducked


IF you didn't have uniform wear (as is likely) and you wanted to be cautious, you could take first sipe disappearance as a condemnation limit, but then you'd probably be losing some of the dry performance advantage of bald tyres, as well as wasting some rubber.


bald tires are not road legal here. The legal limit is 2/32 afaik.


Doesn't worry me. I'm not there.
 
Originally Posted by JohnnyJohnson
Originally Posted by 53' Stude
Originally Posted by supton
Legality or not, the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance.

I don't think the rubber would be softer, but then again, could it be both harder (less compliant) yet quicker to wear off?

Asking for a friend. [Who might be a bit ducked in the head.] [I crack me up.]

Makes sense to me, dry weather tires don't need tread. Heck wet weather tires don't need tread either--as long as you go slow enough. Bicycle tires, at least road tires, do just fine with no tread whatsoever, even in the rain.


Go ahead and drive on them. I'll stay where I am and safe. Forget I even posted about this as some folks are plain nuts!


I'm Johnny Johnson and I approve this message.
thumbsup2.gif



Ah, an open-minded discussion of a technical issue. The Internyet at its best.
 
Originally Posted by 53' Stude
Originally Posted by Rand
Originally Posted by Ducked


IF you didn't have uniform wear (as is likely) and you wanted to be cautious, you could take first sipe disappearance as a condemnation limit, but then you'd probably be losing some of the dry performance advantage of bald tyres, as well as wasting some rubber.


bald tires are not road legal here. The legal limit is 2/32 afaik.


Yeah, must be brain damaged to try and drive on bald tires. Always knew there was a reason Ducked is on "ignore". This is another GREAT reason


I dunno how this "ignore' function is supposed to work (or why it would be necessary to automate something apparently so passive aggressive) but if you need it, it might be worth reviewing its configuration.

Doesn't seem to be working.
 
Originally Posted by supton
Legality or not, the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance.



Dunno, good question. I GUESS not, except maybe with ex-remoulds (demoulds?), if they are still a thing.

I'd guess they aren't still a thing because of more recent concern over tyre ageing, though I never bought anything else if I could help it when I drove in The Yook.

Incidentally, you imply I'm off my head and then you agree with me. What does that say about YOUR mental state, eh?

Get your act together.
 
Originally Posted by Ducked
Originally Posted by supton
Legality or not, the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance.



Dunno, good question. I GUESS not, except maybe with ex-remoulds (demoulds?), if they are still a thing.

I'd guess they aren't still a thing because of more recent concern over tyre ageing, though I never bought anything else if I could help it when I drove in The Yook.

Incidentally, you imply I'm off my head and then you agree with me. What does that say about YOUR mental state, eh?

Get your act together.


Get your own act together please. By the way do NOT comment in any more of my threads. I dislike unsafe, and immoral, idiotic behavior like driving on bald tires. In the USA and my state we have safety inspections for a reason.
 
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Originally Posted by supton
…... the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance. ……..


Typically that rubber is a cool running compound - meaning it doesn't wear well. If a good wearing rubber compound were to be used, the tire would run hotter and that would hurt the long term endurance - leading to more structural failures. That would be a bad thing!
 
Originally Posted by 53' Stude
Originally Posted by Ducked
Originally Posted by supton
Legality or not, the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance.



Dunno, good question. I GUESS not, except maybe with ex-remoulds (demoulds?), if they are still a thing.

I'd guess they aren't still a thing because of more recent concern over tyre ageing, though I never bought anything else if I could help it when I drove in The Yook.

Incidentally, you imply I'm off my head and then you agree with me. What does that say about YOUR mental state, eh?

Get your act together.


Get your own act together please. By the way do NOT comment in any more of my threads. I dislike unsafe, and immoral, idiotic behavior like driving on bald tires. In the USA and my state we have safety inspections for a reason.


Dislike away.

It stopped being "your" thread when it appeared on an open forum for comment. If you want privacy and control, stick with "Dear Diary" entries, (or write a book if you just want control).
 
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Originally Posted by CapriRacer
Originally Posted by supton
…... the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance. ……..


Typically that rubber is a cool running compound - meaning it doesn't wear well. If a good wearing rubber compound were to be used, the tire would run hotter and that would hurt the long term endurance - leading to more structural failures. That would be a bad thing!



Thanks. So a bald tyre would wear rapidly.

I believe there is often an association between "stickiness" and rapid wear, which MIGHT imply that bald tyres were also sticky, but maybe that association isn't universal and wouldn't apply here.
 
Originally Posted by Ducked
Originally Posted by supton
Legality or not, the rubber under the tread (between groove and carcass), can that be a different compound than the stuff that wears off? I'm wondering if a harder compound might be used as a layer between carcass and the area that is grooved, so as to stiffen up a tire. Or otherwise be used to mold the tires performance.



Dunno, good question. I GUESS not, except maybe with ex-remoulds (demoulds?), if they are still a thing.

I'd guess they aren't still a thing because of more recent concern over tyre ageing, though I never bought anything else if I could help it when I drove in The Yook.

Incidentally, you imply I'm off my head and then you agree with me. What does that say about YOUR mental state, eh?

Get your act together.

Apologies; meant to be friendly banter.
 
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