Platinum or Iridium Plugs for OPE?

There is http://www.sparkplug-crossreference.com/ but the results can be ambiguous. By that I mean you likely will get multiple options, some of which may or may be not compatible with your application. I've had better luck with a simple Google search like "champion rc12yc to ngk" and then picking the result that comes from http://tewarehouse.com .

Once that is done, try https://www.ngkpartfinder.co.uk/files/NGK_Upgrades.pdf to find a Platinum or Iridium upgrade from NGK, if that soert of thing spins your wheels. Other manufacturers likely have such upgrade charts as well.
 
Originally Posted By: Snagglefoot
Can someone share a cross reference chart to find the right platinum and/ or iridium plugs. I have a couple lawn mowers with Honda engines and a Champion generator. ( don’t have the plug numbers handy today).

SF


http://www.sparkplug-crossreference.com/

For example a copper Champion RC12YC translates to an Autolite 3924. The Autolite iridium is XST3924 and the platinum is AP3924.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro_Guy
Originally Posted By: smithph

http://www.sparkplug-crossreference.com/ For example a copper Champion RC12YC translates to an Autolite 3924...

Among numerous others. Please share how you knew that the 3924 was THE one. Was it the fact that that was the only one having Platinum and Iridium upgrades, or something else?


Because Autolite does not randomly change the 3/4 digit numbering pattern between copper/platinum/iridium plugs, just the prefix/suffix to the digits with the last digit being the heat range. The XST3924 works fine in my Briggs VTwin that originally had a Briggs/Champion RC12YC copper plug. I cannot speak for other brands as I have not researched them. Autolite cross reference and other spark plug information linked below.

Autolite Overview
Heat Range Chart
 
I guess I've been lucky with the factory designated spark plugs in my OPE's. The only one I've ever changed from the factory spec'd plug is the Torch one in my snow blower. Even with it there was seemingly no problem starting and running the snow blower. I just read horror stories about the Chinese Torch spark plugs and decided to change it after 2 seasons of use. I used a standard NGK plug and it starts on the first pull every time. The Torch plug took maybe 2-3 pulls to start. Not bad but the NGK is easier to start needless to say. My generator using the standard Champion plug usually takes 2 pulls to start. But that maybe because it only has a choke and no primer as where the snow blower does. Since it usually involves 1 or 2 plugs for an OPE ease of installation is not the issue, finding the platinum or iridium plug at a reasonable cost could be. I'm ok with Champion and NGK standard OPE plugs so far.

Whimsey
 
Originally Posted By: smithph
Because Autolite does not randomly change the 3/4 digit numbering pattern between copper/platinum/iridium plugs, just the prefix/suffix to the digits with the last digit being the heat range. The XST3924 works fine in my Briggs VTwin that originally had a Briggs/Champion RC12YC copper plug. I cannot speak for other brands as I have not researched them. Autolite cross reference and other spark plug information linked below.

Thanks for clarifying, but I hope that you also see my point here with respect to that cross reference site.
 
Well, I only use OEM plugs and filters. My Honda Mower calls for NGK plugs. My JD calls for Champion. So, I use NGK and Champion. OCD in a different way, I guess...


I got nervous a while back when I was trying to "upgrade" my 1998 LS400 plugs to iridium and a mechanic told me that since it didn't come with iridium plugs that the wiring was not right for using iridium plugs. He said to stay with what the owner's manual said. I didn't know if he was right or wrong. But I did stay with the regular plugs.
 
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a mechanic told me that since it didn't come with iridium plugs that the wiring was not right for using iridium plugs. He said to stay with what the owner's manual said. I didn't know if he was right or wrong.

He was blowing smoke.
I've installed iridium plugs in several engines that called
for plain old copper plugs. No problems. I gap to original specs.


My 2¢
 
My experience is the benefit to exotic metal plugs is simply life... and OPE can easily foul plugs. I'd rather put in cheap NGK coppers and replace every so often as needed.
 
I use standard NGK plugs for my mowers and equipment i don't get wild with selections i just go with what works for me
blower and trimmer BPMR7A
lawn boy 2 cycles BM4A
zero turn BCP5ES
chainsaw CMR6H
tiller B4LM
 
The only problem I've ever had with a spark plug was in my Toro. About half way thru the first year it stopped starting on the first pull so I pulled the plug and it had black soot all over it. When I asked the dealer about it he said I wasn't running the mower long enough to burn it off since it only takes 30 minutes to mow my yard. So I cleaned it up and put it back in and sure enough in couple months it happened again. I put in an NGK and haven't had that issue since. Must of been the cheap china plugs they come with.
 
I just put a NGK BPR6EIX Iridium into my Honda GCV160 powered push mower that was hard starting after coming out of winter hibernation. It's still hard starting, and the original NGK BPR6ES with over 200 hours looks like it could be cleaned, gapped and put right back in for another 200 hours. The starting issue may be just stale fuel, we will see once mowing season starts.
 
Originally Posted By: lars11
I have not tried iridium plugs on ope but you are stating that the plug change somehow improves fuel consumption in a snow blower. Since you are running it att full throttle and there is no feedback or connection between the ignition and carb that is simply impossible unless the plugs allows you to run it at lower RPM (which I doubt, did you reduce throttle?) The carb will feed exactly the same amount of fuel to the engine at a certain rpm regardless of plug. Unless you snowblower is equipped with a full ECM this is unreasonable and more likely a seat of the pants situation. Sorry, but that is likely it.
About the tarting though, that's interesting! MAybe I will try those plugs to ease starting!

Originally Posted By: Trav
I switched everything to iridium except the lawnmower and that small plug is a B&S platinum.
I have some observations that may help you decide, nothing scientific.

My wife could not start the lawnmower ever, I had to start it. With the platinum plug she can start it first pull, same mower, same oil only the plug being different. The precious metal plugs require much lower voltage to fire, that the explanation.

The snowblower does exactly the same route every storm, again same oil (changed yearly) nothing else different. For the first 8 yrs in a storm 4 inches or more I had to refill the tank about 3/4 through, it could never finish the job without.
With the iridium it completes the job easily even in a 20+ inch storm and is still not empty. If I had to guess its doing at least 30% better on fuel (I am not saying the results in a car engine will be the same).

This thing with its algore carb runs pig rich, if you idle it for a minute and throttle back up it blew lack smoke out, now it doesn't, it idles fine. I can only attribute this again to the lower firing voltage requirement of the plug with a magneto ignition. It always started first pull and never needed the 12V electric starter.

Before I got a gas fueled generator I noticed significant improvements in fuel economy with the gasoline powered one.


I did some thinking and some research on this and the improvements in fuel economy and starting make sense.

The iridium plugs have a .4-.6 mm fine tip on the center electrode. This drops the firing voltage required to jump the gap and makes for a hotter more energetic spark, which in turn causes a bigger flame kernel that burns faster and more completely. More complete combustion = less wasted fuel in the exhaust.

The second piece of the puzzle is that yes, Trav runs his snowblower at full throttle, but every piece of OPE I’ve ever seen has a governor set around 3200-3500 RPM. The throttle control is there so you can idle the equipment.

Thus if I have improved combustion, and I’m getting more energy out of my fuel-air charge, then the governor won’t have to open the throttle plate as much to maintain the set RPM. Or you could look at it as the governor will close the throttle a bit further to avoid overspeed. Yay fuel savings.

My brother and I have predator generators. I spent $15 for two ngk BPR6EIX iridium plugs and will be installing them this weekend. I’ve run the 3200 Watt model quite a bit so I’ll post again after I’ve seen it run
 
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
I did some thinking and some research on this and the improvements in fuel economy and starting make sense.

The iridium plugs have a .4-.6 mm fine tip on the center electrode. This drops the firing voltage required to jump the gap and makes for a hotter more energetic spark, which in turn causes a bigger flame kernel that burns faster and more completely. More complete combustion = less wasted fuel in the exhaust.

Your theory appears plausible, but whether or not the impact is measurable is an entirely different matter. How many of us have ever attempted to measure fuel consumption in OPE?
 
Originally Posted By: Astro_Guy

Your theory appears plausible, but whether or not the impact is measurable is an entirely different matter. How many of us have ever attempted to measure fuel consumption in OPE?


The only fuel consumption issue in an OPE for me is with my generator, where fuel needs to last as a necessity. But with the low compression primitive OPE carburetor fueling and ignition systems will an iridium spark plug do any better than the standard plug as long as it's functioning properly. But we're not talking about a lot of money for 1 spark plug so maybe it's worthwhile to give it a try, at least once if you can get an iridium replacement OPE plug.

Whimsey
 
Originally Posted By: Whimsey
The only fuel consumption issue in an OPE for me is with my generator, where fuel needs to last as a necessity. But with the low compression primitive OPE carburetor fueling and ignition systems will an iridium spark plug do any better than the standard plug as long as it's functioning properly. But we're not talking about a lot of money for 1 spark plug so maybe it's worthwhile to give it a try, at least once if you can get an iridium replacement OPE plug.

Whimsey

While I hear you loud and clear and have started swapping in a few Iridium plugs myself here and there, you should not expect a measurable extension of run time on your generator due a change of spark plugs.
 
It’s mostly an excuse to tinker. The carbs are set pretty rich on thes generators, I don’t know if they’re adjustable or not but leaning it a hair would stretch fuel

Changing the plug turned out to be a legitimate repair. The torch plug has a large crack in the insulator.
 
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Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
Changing the plug turned out to be a legitimate repair. The torch plug has a large crack in the insulator.

Good to know - my Champion 3500 Watt generator has a Torch plug in it. Did you happen to notice any difference in the way it started?
 
I tend to run NGK Iridium plugs in everything. Just have had good luck with them. Run em in the Harley and vehicles too.
 
Originally Posted By: Astro_Guy
Originally Posted By: SilverFusion2010
Changing the plug turned out to be a legitimate repair. The torch plug has a large crack in the insulator.

Good to know - my Champion 3500 Watt generator has a Torch plug in it. Did you happen to notice any difference in the way it started?
My Champion 2000 had a miss with the factory plug. NGK fixed it. You should for sure get that junk plug out of there.
 
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