Pipeline from Canada ?

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Anyone know the status of this ? Think it is called Keystone ?

I think I read the crude oil from Canada is a lot " thicker " than Sweet Light West Texas crude oil ? And more difficult to refine ?

Also heard the oil from Saudi Arabia is also " thick " .

Would tickle me to see us no longer buying oil from the " sand box " . Much rather see more of our oil going to our northern neighbor .
 
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https://business.financialpost.com/...ine-3-and-trans-mountain-mark-milestones

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CALGARY - A U.S. federal judge dealt TransCanada Corp. a new setback on Thursday in its years-long push to build the Keystone XL pipeline, as competing export pipeline projects celebrated major milestones on the same day.

U.S. District Court Judge Brian Morris issued a ruling Thursday in Montana requiring the State Department to conduct an environmental assessment of the new Keystone XL route through Nebraska.

The judge ruled that a new assessment was necessary because the Nebraska Public Utilities Commission approved the US$8-billion pipeline along an alternative route through the state, rather than the company's desired route, and because that route had not been properly studied.

"We're reviewing the decision," TransCanada spokesperson Matthew John said in an email following the ruling.

The Calgary-based pipeline company had planned to begin preliminary work on the project, which would ship 830,000 barrels of oil per day from Alberta to the U.S. Gulf Coast, later this year but the ruling adds new uncertainty to the potential construction timeline.

For Keystone XL, TransCanada is preparing for one legal challenge to its route approval later this year and Thursday's development could force the U.S. State Department to undertake further reviews.

"This is an order that is ordering the Department of State to do some work," said former TransCanada executive Dennis McConaghy, who has written an insider's account of the Keystone XL pipeline in a book titled Dysfunction: Canada After Keystone XL.

McConaghy said the judge's order was based on a "technicality" as the Department of State's environmental impact assessment of the project was in 2014 and U.S. President Donald Trump approved the project in 2017 before the Nebraska commission issued its approvals along the alternative route the same year.

"This is not good but it's expected," he said.

Now the State Department can either appeal the judge's decision or argue that work the U.S. federal government conducted on the alternative route for the Bureau of Land Management, in the Department of the Interior, should satisfy the judge's order.

Either way, McConaghy said the ruling was a setback for the project and neither option would placate opponents.

Indeed, environmental and other opposed groups said the ruling was proof the project would never be built.

"What we have here is really another potential nail in the coffin, which is a supplemental (Environmental Impact Statement), and if there are any findings in that supplemental EIS that would modify the allegedly approved mainline alternative route, then that could affect the approval," said Brian Jorde, a lawyer with Omaha-based Domina Law, which represents landowners opposed to Keystone XL.

Domina Law has appealed the approval of Keystone XL to the Nebraska Supreme Court on the basis that the state's utilities commission did not have the authority to consider alternate routes. Jorde said he expects a decision on that case by the end of the year.
 
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Which pipeline? There are plenty of them. Check out the Enbridge pipeline system.

Of the oil the US imports, 40% of it comes from Canada already. They've been our biggest import source for quite some time, going back to around 2000 or so.

Refiners in the Midwest have been using their Heavy Sour Crude (among other grades) for many, many years. It was cheaper for a long time because other refiners didn't want it.
 
I do know a bit about this. It is the Keystone XL pipeline. Your previous President would not give it a permit. Your current President did. When built it will transport WCS, Western Canadian Select, which is a blend of bitumen and condensate. The Bitumen comes from the oil sands. The blend is competitive to the heavy blends coming from Venezuela and Mexico. Both those countries have declining exports. Most of the US refining complex has been developed to be able to refine WCS.

As with all pipelines currently planned there is considerable push back from various groups. Just look at the Dakota access line from North Dakota out east.

Can't say much more because it's political, but if you want to get rid of Saudi imports, we can fill in quite easily from Canada.

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Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
As with all pipelines currently planned there is considerable push back from various groups. Just look at the Dakota access line from North Dakota out east.


The same groups that use what they're protesting to get where they're protesting at among various other items.
 
Originally Posted by Pew
Originally Posted by Snagglefoot
As with all pipelines currently planned there is considerable push back from various groups. Just look at the Dakota access line from North Dakota out east.


The same groups that use what they're protesting to get where they're protesting at among various other items.
When they were building the Dakota access line though this area I saw an old beater Ford Expedition with a "no Dakota access pipeline" sticker on it.


A lot of this stuff that these new pipelines are transporting isn't being used in the US but exported due to not being compatable with existing refineries. Remember that we are a NET exporter of oil now. It still gets imported at almost the same rate as before.
 
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Transporting oil by pipe seems safer than truck or train.

Not knocking the trucking or rail industry as they are safe.
 
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Originally Posted by cjcride
Transporting oil by pipe seems safer than truck or train.

Not knocking the trucking or rail industry as they are safe.


The problem that environmentalists are raising is the earth contamination and it's not like the Oil/Gas pipelines have a spotless record or anything. Not knocking the industry because it's quite a feat to send that much of anything down thousands of miles of pipes without incident but it's a toxic mess hard to clean up with big consequences when it happens and I think this is why they don't like the pipelines over Rail/Truck.
 
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by cjcride
Transporting oil by pipe seems safer than truck or train.

Not knocking the trucking or rail industry as they are safe.


The problem that environmentalists are raising is the earth contamination and it's not like the Oil/Gas pipelines have a spotless record or anything. Not knocking the industry because it's quite a feat to send that much of anything down thousands of miles of pipes without incident but it's a toxic mess hard to clean up with big consequences when it happens and I think this is why they don't like the pipelines over Rail/Truck.


I believe the number of incidents with rail and truck together exceeds those experienced with pipelines. It isn't like the pipelines don't have checks in them to minimize spillage in the event of a rupture/incident.

Originally Posted by Canada
There were 5 pipeline accidents in the 127 pipeline occurrences reported to the TSB in 2017 (Table 1). This is more than in the previous 2 years (each of which had zero pipeline accidents), and below the average of 6.7 accidents per year over the previous 10-year period (Figure 1). Product was released in 4 of the 5 accidents in 2017 and 1 of the 5 accidents involved fire.


Originally Posted by Canada
In 2017, 1091 rail accidents were reported to the TSB (Figure 1), a 21% increase from the 2016 total of 900, but unchanged from the previous 10-year (2007-2016) average of 1092. Freight trains accounted for approximately 34% of all trains involved in rail accidents in 2017. Five percent (55 in total) were passenger trains with the remaining 61% comprising mainly single cars/cuts of cars, locomotives and track units.

In 2017, 115 accidents involved dangerous goods, up from 101 in 2016 but below the 10-year average of 138. Four accidents resulted in a dangerous goods release in 2017, up from 1 in 2016, but consistent with the 10-year average. Two of the 4 accidents resulted in a release of molten sulphur, 1 resulted in a release of sodium chlorate, and 1 resulted in a release of petroleum crude oil.


And from Global:
Originally Posted by Global
A Global News analysis found that train spills in transit are larger than those from pipelines. And trucks, though they have a higher rate of accidents, tend to spill much less.


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Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by cjcride
Transporting oil by pipe seems safer than truck or train.

Not knocking the trucking or rail industry as they are safe.


The problem that environmentalists are raising is the earth contamination and it's not like the Oil/Gas pipelines have a spotless record or anything. Not knocking the industry because it's quite a feat to send that much of anything down thousands of miles of pipes without incident but it's a toxic mess hard to clean up with big consequences when it happens and I think this is why they don't like the pipelines over Rail/Truck.


I believe the number of incidents with rail and truck together exceeds those experienced with pipelines. It isn't like the pipelines don't have checks in them to minimize spillage in the event of a rupture/incident.

Originally Posted by Canada
There were 5 pipeline accidents in the 127 pipeline occurrences reported to the TSB in 2017 (Table 1). This is more than in the previous 2 years (each of which had zero pipeline accidents), and below the average of 6.7 accidents per year over the previous 10-year period (Figure 1). Product was released in 4 of the 5 accidents in 2017 and 1 of the 5 accidents involved fire.


Originally Posted by Canada
In 2017, 1091 rail accidents were reported to the TSB (Figure 1), a 21% increase from the 2016 total of 900, but unchanged from the previous 10-year (2007-2016) average of 1092. Freight trains accounted for approximately 34% of all trains involved in rail accidents in 2017. Five percent (55 in total) were passenger trains with the remaining 61% comprising mainly single cars/cuts of cars, locomotives and track units.

In 2017, 115 accidents involved dangerous goods, up from 101 in 2016 but below the 10-year average of 138. Four accidents resulted in a dangerous goods release in 2017, up from 1 in 2016, but consistent with the 10-year average. Two of the 4 accidents resulted in a release of molten sulphur, 1 resulted in a release of sodium chlorate, and 1 resulted in a release of petroleum crude oil.


And from Global:
Originally Posted by Global
A Global News analysis found that train spills in transit are larger than those from pipelines. And trucks, though they have a higher rate of accidents, tend to spill much less.




That is exactly the point that a lot of the anti pipeline people miss. Just like the misconception people have about air travel. Volume of product moved per mile without incident in a pipeline far exceeds that of train. The only reason it doesn't exceed trucks is due to the very limited use of trucking in comparison.

The leak warn system used on the pipeline I take care of is quite impressive. It takes into account volume in and out, pressure, tempature, gravity, and even the hydraulic profile of the line. It doesn't take much to set it off either. If I take a few barrels off the line without letting the control center know they call asking what happened.
 
Overkill, no argument... I was merely stating that I think this is why Environmentalists have a problem with it. I didn't mean they were well informed or that I agree. Sorry if I gave the wrong idea.
 
Originally Posted by OVERKILL
Sure, but they have an irrational fear of anything sensible, LOL!
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Tell me about it. Just creates headaches, higher taxes and slows down progress.
 
I live in an oil patch state . Can not ever remember having a fear of a pipe line .

Can they mess up ? Sure . I can also get killed / injured an almost infinite number of ways .

As long as it benefits the USA , I say go ahead and build it , as long as it is not costing us tax payers anything .
 
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