Petrocan and Motomaster oil

[Doug_Carman]

Friends and I were doing research on oil for our post-warranty cars, and we found some interesting facts.
Motomaster Formula 1 regular oil has a Moly content of somewhere between 47 and 111 ppm depending on source, and is made by Shell.
Pennzoil regular and synthetic has about 45-55 ppm Moly. Both nice numbers, both available at reasonable prices at Canadian Tire (sorry brothers in USA!).
The surprise was that after finding my Hyundai dealership uses exclusively Petrocan Supreme 10w30 for all oil changes all year round, I looked up that oil and found it well recommended as a clean oil since they use only Grade 2 or level 2 base oil. In addition, after calling tech support and finding an engineer to talk to, I found out that their Petrocan Supreme, Semisynthetic and Full synthetic all have Moly at 220-230- ppm. Well above what most oils contain, including many Valvoline and Mobil oils. They do distribue in the USA, but I don't know where or how. They don't advertise he said, because competing with the big US companies is not worthwhile. I'll follow up with local Toronto prices when I find out.

 

[CATERHAM]

Cool!

 

[tuckman]

Thanks Doug for the positive spin on PC oils.
The last thread I read on PC oils were on how weak the add pack was. The posters were only looking at the zinc and Phosphorus #'s. The thing about PC oils is that their base oils are so highly refined they don't need the big beefy add pack to help it stand up to some of the harshest winters on the planet. The PCMO oils are not advertised or designed as extended drain oils. If you want extended drain and bigger add pack look at the Duron line. PC has world class oils and they do not need PAO basestocks to do it either.
The biggest knock on PC is that if you want to get it at a competitive price you need to buy bulk at a dealer. The only other place to find it is at their gas stations with a hefty markup.

 

[CATERHAM]

Originally Posted By: tuckman
Thanks Doug for the positive spin on PC oils.
The last thread I read on PC oils were on how weak the add pack was. The posters were only looking at the zinc and Phosphorus #'s. The thing about PC oils is that their base oils are so highly refined they don't need the big beefy add pack to help it stand up to some of the harshest winters on the planet. The PCMO oils are not advertised or designed as extended drain oils. If you want extended drain and bigger add pack look at the Duron line. PC has world class oils and they do not need PAO basestocks to do it either.
The biggest knock on PC is that if you want to get it at a competitive price you need to buy bulk at a dealer. The only other place to find it is at their gas stations with a hefty markup.


Boy are you biased! The truth is it's a very mediocre product.

 

[tuckman]

Thank you. You are entitled to your opinion but I will question it. Is this opinion based on UOA findings showing PC oil to be an inferior product or just because the add pack is less than you accept as a quality oil?

Tell me this...When is the last time your oil had to stand up to -55C to -47C week or a month that never got warmer than -20C? The PC oils have never let me down when I used them in extreme cold.

 

[CATERHAM]

I appreciate your unique cold start requirements but it doesn't appear that you are using a PC product.

I didn't say it was an inferior product, just a run of the mill GP III. Any other Group III will perform as well with it's typical -48C PP (0W-20).

If I lived in your extreme climate I'd be using the lightest oil I could get my hands on, and by design that would necessitate going the GP IV/V route.

 

[bwco]

hey doug, i did extensive research on the motomaster oil before and after weeks of questions and conversation with Shell. I don't see any benefit of Motomaster oil over other over the counter oil. But CT did price it right when it's on sale. But why using a $24/jug synthetic Motomaster when you can get Pennzoil Platinum for $20 at walmart.
But I'll keep checking back and see what kinda numbers your getting regarding to the PetroCanada oil.
*side note: Superstore carries their own brand of oil before which is similar to the Motomaster oil as well, which was made by Shell.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: tuckman

The last thread I read on PC oils were on how weak the add pack was. The posters were only looking at the zinc and Phosphorus #'s.


I think you are referring to the recent thread on the VOA I posted recently for PC 0W30.

There may be more to report shortly. Specifically the ph, zinc and calcium that were tested *twice* by Blackstone is supposedly *not* representative of PC's product sheet on this oil. This info was obtained with an inquiry by myself to the company. Their formulation should see values of these three elements *double* what was shown by Blackstone's report. If this is the case then I think you could no longer consider this PC oil as weak.

 

[tuckman]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
I appreciate your unique cold start requirements but it doesn't appear that you are using a PC product.

I didn't say it was an inferior product, just a run of the mill GP III. Any other Group III will perform as well with it's typical -48C PP (0W-20).

If I lived in your extreme climate I'd be using the lightest oil I could get my hands on, and by design that would necessitate going the GP IV/V route.


I choose to run dino in the summer and GTX was on for $8.88/4L jug, plus doing Auto-RX runs on the van and truck. This winter will be PC 0w-20 for the car seeing that it is the best OTC 0W-20 available in Canada right now, the specs speak for themselves. (mobil 1 still has not made their AFE oils available to us). If you take the time to compare the specs of Esso XD3 and PC Supreme Synthetic 0W-30 their cold viscosity #'s are very similar and we know that XD3 is a PAO base. So no, I do not need a grp IV/V to get those properties. The grp IV/V oils will give extended drain options over the grp III oils but if made right they can withstand the same extremes.
I believe I based my bias on specs and first hand experience.

You do partially have me I gotta use up a considerable stash of XD3 before I can buy some PC 0W-30.

 

[CATERHAM]

PC 0W-20 may be the only 0W-20 made in Canada. Fortunately there are a number of 0W-20 oils available in Canada with a much lower PP than PC's -48C.

BTW, I haven't checked it out but according to a fellow Cdn member on another thread, Mobil 1 AFE oils will soon be available here.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
PC 0W-20 may be the only 0W-20 made in Canada. Fortunately there are a number of 0W-20 oils available in Canada with a much lower PP than PC's -48C.

BTW, I haven't checked it out but according to a fellow Cdn member on another thread, Mobil 1 AFE oils will soon be available here.


Redline's 0-weight oils carry a -60C PP.

 

[tuckman]

Please enlighten me on the OTC 0W-20's that are available in Canada today.
I would like to compare the borderline pumping viscosity and cold cranking viscosity, cP @ °C. I find these specs to be more informative than PP alone. Don't get me wrong PP is a worthwhile spec to know but should be factored in accordingly when comparing oils.

The word was that Mobil 1 AFE oils were to be released in June or July but still are not here yet.

 

[tuckman]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: CATERHAM
PC 0W-20 may be the only 0W-20 made in Canada. Fortunately there are a number of 0W-20 oils available in Canada with a much lower PP than PC's -48C.

BTW, I haven't checked it out but according to a fellow Cdn member on another thread, Mobil 1 AFE oils will soon be available here.


Redline's 0-weight oils carry a -60C PP.


A very impressive #.
What are you paying $/L to get this oil?

 

[tuckman]

upon further investigation the borderline pumping viscosity and cold cranking viscosity, cP @ -35 °C of both Red Line and PC 0W-20's are very, very close to the same #.

 

[addyguy]

I've found PP 0W-20 at 'Benson Auto Parts' stores, but they may only be in Ontario....