People line up to buy pot in Co.

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Originally Posted By: GumbyJarvis
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I suppose a business has the right to hire and fire who they want, but I've never heard of any company that disallows their employees to smoke at all...and how are they gonna enforce that one, drug testing for nicotine?


A lot of sheriffs offices in Florida are now tobacco free workplaces, the only ones allowed to smoke, dip, chew tobacco are grandfathered in.

I know the county I'm from is tobacco free, as well as the county below us.
They ask you while applying even as a operator, if you use it. Say yes? Disqual, say no and get caught? Fired.
Trick is not getting caught, issue is, those 911 operators can work overnights and up to 16-18 hours straight as can guards, officers, etc. Try doing that if you're a big time tobacco user, I couldn't.

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You live in a county that is tobacco-free? Are there still places in the country that have prohibition? Last time I checked this was 2014, not 1914...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
If a person smokes pot on a Monday afternoon, they are in violation of federal law for possessing a schedule 1 controlled substance. If they test positive thereafter, their employer does have cause to fire them.

Don't like it? Write your Congressman.


You're off the track...my scenario assumed the person smoking pot was in a state where it was legal...

I'm trying to point out that marijuana is illegal in the entire United States under federal law. Marijuana is still an illegal schedule 1 controlled substance in Colorado, although not under state law.


If it's legal in a state, you can't be arrested for using or possessing it in that state, so why then should employees be allowed to fire employees for using it in that state? There are a lot of things that are illegal federally, and legal in certain states, and vise versa...law enforcement always goes by the laws of the state, they don't go by federal law...


Here's the address for the DEA field office in Colorado:

12154 East Easter Avenue, Centennial, CO 80112

Walk in with a big bag of weed and ask if it's legal.

You can be arrested by federal law enforcement and prosecuted in a federal court for possessing marijuana in Colorado, although they'll have to meet quantity guidelines set by the local U.S. Attorney's office.

Could you be fired for filing a false federal income tax return? How about trafficking illegal aliens? These are other federal crimes that are not prosecuted at the state level. You won't get arrested by a local cop for any of these violations, but they're still illegal.
 
Originally Posted By: Miller88
Originally Posted By: Chris142
Ya you cant walk across a parking lot and not smell it here. Yuck


Some places around here have rules where if you smoke within sight of the building you will be fired. Employees get in their car and drive around to be out of sight of the building.


I don't smoke, and smoking is horrendous for your health, but I think employers that have these hitler-esque rules are beyond ridiculous! If a person wants to smoke that should be their, and only their decision as long as it doesn't affect others...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: GumbyJarvis
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I suppose a business has the right to hire and fire who they want, but I've never heard of any company that disallows their employees to smoke at all...and how are they gonna enforce that one, drug testing for nicotine?


A lot of sheriffs offices in Florida are now tobacco free workplaces, the only ones allowed to smoke, dip, chew tobacco are grandfathered in.

I know the county I'm from is tobacco free, as well as the county below us.
They ask you while applying even as a operator, if you use it. Say yes? Disqual, say no and get caught? Fired.
Trick is not getting caught, issue is, those 911 operators can work overnights and up to 16-18 hours straight as can guards, officers, etc. Try doing that if you're a big time tobacco user, I couldn't.

2gtok06.jpg



You live in a county that is tobacco-free? Are there still places in the country that have prohibition? Last time I checked this was 2014, not 1914...


County government jobs a lot are tobacco free, county, no.
I've also been to counties in Texas, of all places, that were dry counties.
 
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
Here's the address for the DEA field office in Colorado:

12154 East Easter Avenue, Centennial, CO 80112

Walk in with a big bag of weed and ask if it's legal.

You can be arrested by federal law enforcement and prosecuted in a federal court for possessing marijuana in Colorado, although they'll have to meet quantity guidelines set by the local U.S. Attorney's office.

Could you be fired for filing a false federal income tax return? How about trafficking illegal aliens? These are other federal crimes that are not prosecuted at the state level.


Those are bad things and they should be crimes. Smoking pot is not a bad thing and therefore should not be a crime...and if you think it should be illegal, please explain to me why tobacco and alcohol products are legal when they are bad for your health, and pot is not. It's hypocritical for tobacco and alcohol products to be legal while pot isn't...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
Here's the address for the DEA field office in Colorado:

12154 East Easter Avenue, Centennial, CO 80112

Walk in with a big bag of weed and ask if it's legal.

You can be arrested by federal law enforcement and prosecuted in a federal court for possessing marijuana in Colorado, although they'll have to meet quantity guidelines set by the local U.S. Attorney's office.

Could you be fired for filing a false federal income tax return? How about trafficking illegal aliens? These are other federal crimes that are not prosecuted at the state level.


Those are bad things and they should be crimes. Smoking pot is not a bad thing and therefore should not be a crime...and if you think it should be illegal, please explain to me why tobacco and alcohol products are legal when they are bad for your health, and pot is not. It's hypocritical for tobacco and alcohol products to be legal while pot isn't...

I'm not offering an opinion on the matter, just explaining that marijuana is a class 1 controlled substance, and that someone could still be fired for violating federal law if they possess it. If you think it should be legal, take part in the political process and call your Congressman.
 
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
Originally Posted By: grampi
Originally Posted By: Bandito440
Here's the address for the DEA field office in Colorado:

12154 East Easter Avenue, Centennial, CO 80112

Walk in with a big bag of weed and ask if it's legal.

You can be arrested by federal law enforcement and prosecuted in a federal court for possessing marijuana in Colorado, although they'll have to meet quantity guidelines set by the local U.S. Attorney's office.

Could you be fired for filing a false federal income tax return? How about trafficking illegal aliens? These are other federal crimes that are not prosecuted at the state level.


Those are bad things and they should be crimes. Smoking pot is not a bad thing and therefore should not be a crime...and if you think it should be illegal, please explain to me why tobacco and alcohol products are legal when they are bad for your health, and pot is not. It's hypocritical for tobacco and alcohol products to be legal while pot isn't...

I'm not offering an opinion on the matter, just explaining that marijuana is a class 1 controlled substance, and that someone could still be fired for violating federal law if they possess it. If you think it should be legal, take part in the political process and call your Congressman.


I guess we will soon find out from Colorado...
 
The big big big problem here is the feds. Medical marijuana needs to be legalized at the federal level. It has been proven by scientists that it helps various medical conditions. Regulate the heck out of it. Sell it at the PHARMACY. Give sick people what they need.

The problem currently is if somebody has a serious medical problem, and they use medical marijuana in a state that legally allows it, they can be fired for breaking the law. This is ridiculous. In many cases they can have all the oxycodone they want, but no marijuana.

I say this as an Oregon medical marijuana card holder. I have some serious medical issues. Not only am I employed, I'm an employer, and I couldn't care less what drug my employee tests positive for, if it does not effect their job. Come to work stoned? You are fired. Get stoned Friday night with your buddies? None of my business.

People can argue about the legalization of marijuana for recreation. There should be no argument against medical marijuana. Unless you want to ban all prescription narcotics.
 
Originally Posted By: Number21
The big big big problem here is the feds. Medical marijuana needs to be legalized at the federal level. It has been proven by scientists that it helps various medical conditions. Regulate the heck out of it. Sell it at the PHARMACY. Give sick people what they need.

The problem currently is if somebody has a serious medical problem, and they use medical marijuana in a state that legally allows it, they can be fired for breaking the law. This is ridiculous. In many cases they can have all the oxycodone they want, but no marijuana.

I say this as an Oregon medical marijuana card holder. I have some serious medical issues. Not only am I employed, I'm an employer, and I couldn't care less what drug my employee tests positive for, if it does not effect their job. Come to work stoned? You are fired. Get stoned Friday night with your buddies? None of my business.

People can argue about the legalization of marijuana for recreation. There should be no argument against medical marijuana. Unless you want to ban all prescription narcotics.


Personally, I see no reason it should be illegal for recreational use either. There are no ill side effects from smoking it (unless you consider getting the munchies an ill side effect), it doesn't effect one's ability to do their job (so long as the person isn't smoking it right before they go to work), and legalizing it would take it out of the hands of the drug dealers and its sale would be controlled like that of tobacco and alcohol products. There are no down sides to legalizing it for both medical and recreational use. I believe the only reason that those state and federal legislators who keep dragging their feet on legalizing it are doing so because they still believe in the early 20th century notions that marijuana is a bad drug that is harmful to your health, that its addictive, and that it's use leads to the use of stronger and dangerous drugs. None of these notions are true...what do they say, bliss are the ignorant?
 
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Originally Posted By: grampi

Personally, I see no reason it should be illegal for recreational use either. There are no ill side effects from smoking it (unless you consider getting the munchies an ill side effect), it doesn't effect one's ability to do their job (so long as the person isn't smoking it right before they go to work), and legalizing it would take it out of the hands of the drug dealers and its sale would be controlled like that of tobacco and alcohol products. There are no down sides to legalizing it for both medical and recreational use. I believe the only reason that those state and federal legislators who keep dragging their feet on legalizing it are doing so because they still believe in the early 20th century notions that marijuana is a bad drug that is harmful to your health, that its addictive, and that it's use leads to the use of stronger and dangerous drugs. None of these notions are true...what do they say, bliss are the ignorant?


I agree it should be legal.

I totally disagree that it's harmless. Just the very fact of purposely drawing ANY smoke in your lungs is harmful. (Indeed probably less harmful than tobacco). And as I stated earlier it impairs reaction time, and certain undisciplined or young people it turns them into sluggish boring underachievers.

Point being it is mentally addictive to some and there are down sides to all drugs. To say otherwise actually is ignorant.
 
I'm not a pot smoker, is $400/oz plus tax a good price? That's what I heard it was going for. It seems to me if the illegal dealers can beat that price it would be boosting their sales. Some people are saying pot smoking leads to using more powerful drugs. No comment on that, the discussion would be worse than a thick vs. thin oil war.
 
My wife works as a K-12 school counselor and also spends a great deal of time with kids with substance abuse problems and personally she has seen teen pot use dramatically go DOWN since pot became legal here in Washington State. She has no idea why but when Portugal legalized drugs teen pot use also went down.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: grampi

Personally, I see no reason it should be illegal for recreational use either. There are no ill side effects from smoking it (unless you consider getting the munchies an ill side effect), it doesn't effect one's ability to do their job (so long as the person isn't smoking it right before they go to work), and legalizing it would take it out of the hands of the drug dealers and its sale would be controlled like that of tobacco and alcohol products. There are no down sides to legalizing it for both medical and recreational use. I believe the only reason that those state and federal legislators who keep dragging their feet on legalizing it are doing so because they still believe in the early 20th century notions that marijuana is a bad drug that is harmful to your health, that its addictive, and that it's use leads to the use of stronger and dangerous drugs. None of these notions are true...what do they say, bliss are the ignorant?


I agree it should be legal.

I totally disagree that it's harmless. Just the very fact of purposely drawing ANY smoke in your lungs is harmful. (Indeed probably less harmful than tobacco). And as I stated earlier it impairs reaction time, and certain undisciplined or young people it turns them into sluggish boring underachievers.

Point being it is mentally addictive to some and there are down sides to all drugs. To say otherwise actually is ignorant.


Sounds like you need to do some research. Many people believe it's bad for you simply because you're smoking it. It's just not true. Also not true that it turns people into underachievers. I'd be willing to bet that pot smokers who are underachievers would also be underachievers if they didn't smoke it. There are tons of studies that have been done that prove everything you said to be untrue. Not doing your research makes you come off as ignorant...
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm not a pot smoker, is $400/oz plus tax a good price?
The black market here in Washington State is going to thrive where you can buy it for $150.00 oz right now. The market here is FLOODED since everyone and their brother now grows their own. The taxes are way to high to stop the black market and the black market is what they were trying to stop here in Wash.
 
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm not a pot smoker, is $400/oz plus tax a good price? That's what I heard it was going for. It seems to me if the illegal dealers can beat that price it would be boosting their sales. Some people are saying pot smoking leads to using more powerful drugs. No comment on that, the discussion would be worse than a thick vs. thin oil war.


$400 an oz is what it sells for now (minus the tax of course), so really there's no difference...
 
Originally Posted By: Blaze
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I'm not a pot smoker, is $400/oz plus tax a good price?
The black market here in Washington State is going to thrive where you can buy it for $150.00 oz right now. The market here is FLOODED since everyone and their brother now grows their own. The taxes are way to high to stop the black market and the black market is what they were trying to stop here in Wash.


$150 might get you garbage weed, but I haven't heard of prices that low anywhere for years for anything that's actually worth smoking...most go for $300-$400 an oz...
 
Originally Posted By: grampi


Sounds like you need to do some research. Many people believe it's bad for you simply because you're smoking it. It's just not true. Also not true that it turns people into underachievers. I'd be willing to bet that pot smokers who are underachievers would also be underachievers if they didn't smoke it. There are tons of studies that have been done that prove everything you said to be untrue. Not doing your research makes you come off as ignorant...


So you will in public here and now say that drawing smoke into your lungs does no harm? To me that seems ignorant.

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There are tons of studies that have been done that prove everything you said to be untrue.


Please post 5 peer reviewed, verifiable studies that "prove everything (I) said to be untrue". I will be waiting. If I am wrong I will apologize publicly.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: grampi


Sounds like you need to do some research. Many people believe it's bad for you simply because you're smoking it. It's just not true. Also not true that it turns people into underachievers. I'd be willing to bet that pot smokers who are underachievers would also be underachievers if they didn't smoke it. There are tons of studies that have been done that prove everything you said to be untrue. Not doing your research makes you come off as ignorant...


So you will in public here and now say that drawing smoke into your lungs does no harm? To me that seems ignorant.

Quote:
There are tons of studies that have been done that prove everything you said to be untrue.


Please post 5 peer reviewed, verifiable studies that "prove everything you said to be untrue". I will be waiting. If I am wrong I will apologize publicly.


Do your own research, I'm not doing it for you...I did mine...wanna sound smart on the subject? Get edjimicated...
 
I'll offer another explaination while keeping my opinions to myself.

Burning any plant matter slowly (incompletely) so that it produces smoke will also cause the production of many unhealthy carcinogens, tars, carbon monoxide, particulate matter, etc. Depositing these items in your lungs is not healthy.

We all take risks and decide how to manage them, but if you're going to smoke anything you should at least be aware of the matter you're inhaling.
 
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