Penz Plat Has More Cetifications than Ultra ? ? ?
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I've wondered about this too. Maybe they don't want to spend the money for the tests/certifications on an oil that is assumed to meet them anyway, or on a oil that isn't doing very well? I don't really know.
I asked them a while back, what ACEA spec would the5w30 and 10w30 Ultra grades fall under. They responded by saying something along the lines of, They dont carry the ACEA spec since they have a 5w40 and 5w30 blended for the European Market.
I might have missed it, but the Platinum page doesnt say what grades pass all those claims they have listed
I might have missed it, but the Platinum page doesnt say what grades pass all those claims they have listed
I use Synpower and have found it to meet some of the ACEA specs (year unknown, verifying) and other euro specs.
Tempted to try Platinum as it has the VW 507 spec I believe, which is hard to beat and not year dependent.
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/lubrizol/EOACEA2009/RPTOOL2010Dep/rp/pc/index.html
Tempted to try Platinum as it has the VW 507 spec I believe, which is hard to beat and not year dependent.
http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/lubrizol/EOACEA2009/RPTOOL2010Dep/rp/pc/index.html
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
This is covered in the Pennzoil Q&A
From what I get out of the Q&A is that you have to use the euro oils if you want the Latest ACEA specs or VW 507 etc as the North American version will not meet many of these specs or are not qualified as such.
Would I be incorrect this.
This is covered in the Pennzoil Q&A
From what I get out of the Q&A is that you have to use the euro oils if you want the Latest ACEA specs or VW 507 etc as the North American version will not meet many of these specs or are not qualified as such.
Would I be incorrect this.
Originally Posted By: Fallguy
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
This is covered in the Pennzoil Q&A
From what I get out of the Q&A is that you have to use the euro oils if you want the Latest ACEA specs or VW 507 etc as the North American version will not meet many of these specs or are not qualified as such.
Would I be incorrect this.
From the Q&A
Question 17:
Why is Platinum 5w30 certified for ACEA A5 / 4718M / HTO-06 but Ultra 5w30 only certified for 4718M and HTO-06, but not ACEA A5? This makes the Ultra 5w30 weaker on paper than Platinum 5w30 in terms of certification.
Answer 17:
ACEA no longer allows the splitting of gasoline (A specifications) and light duty diesel (B specifications), as the diesel side of the specification will not allow US type FE (GF-5) performance, the ACEA specifications will be dropped off all ILSAC GF-5 products in the future.
Rest assured that Pennzoil Ultra™ outperforms Pennzoil Platinum®. The reason for the “paper” specification difference is based on a decision to focus our ILSAC grades more directly on the needs of engines calling for ILSAC performance and addressing the Euro performance with versions of Ultra specifically targeted for European imports. Thus our Euro oils not only exceed the ACEA A/B specifications, but they also address specific needs for VW, MB, BMW, Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati.
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
This is covered in the Pennzoil Q&A
From what I get out of the Q&A is that you have to use the euro oils if you want the Latest ACEA specs or VW 507 etc as the North American version will not meet many of these specs or are not qualified as such.
Would I be incorrect this.
From the Q&A
Question 17:
Why is Platinum 5w30 certified for ACEA A5 / 4718M / HTO-06 but Ultra 5w30 only certified for 4718M and HTO-06, but not ACEA A5? This makes the Ultra 5w30 weaker on paper than Platinum 5w30 in terms of certification.
Answer 17:
ACEA no longer allows the splitting of gasoline (A specifications) and light duty diesel (B specifications), as the diesel side of the specification will not allow US type FE (GF-5) performance, the ACEA specifications will be dropped off all ILSAC GF-5 products in the future.
Rest assured that Pennzoil Ultra™ outperforms Pennzoil Platinum®. The reason for the “paper” specification difference is based on a decision to focus our ILSAC grades more directly on the needs of engines calling for ILSAC performance and addressing the Euro performance with versions of Ultra specifically targeted for European imports. Thus our Euro oils not only exceed the ACEA A/B specifications, but they also address specific needs for VW, MB, BMW, Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati.
They just sent me PDS's for the Platinum this morning. I dont see anything in them specifically saying they meet any VW specs.
The July 2010 PDS shows Platinum 5w30 is
-API SN
-Ilsac GF-5
-ACEA A1/B1-08
The April 2009 PDS shows Platinum 5w30 is
-API SM
-Ilsac GF-4
-ACEA A5/B5-04
The July 2010 PDS shows Platinum 5w30 is
-API SN
-Ilsac GF-5
-ACEA A1/B1-08
The April 2009 PDS shows Platinum 5w30 is
-API SM
-Ilsac GF-4
-ACEA A5/B5-04
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