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Originally Posted By: stchman
Back when I worked for some quick lubes back in the early 90s, we called Pennzoil "Pennzwax", or "Pennzsludge" as some engines were pretty sludgy that used Pennzoil.

I gather they have improved their oil since then.


Pennzoil and Quaker State switched away from using Pennsylvania paraffin base oil stocks decades ago. Modern refining techniques and stricter standards make the original base stock point moot anyway.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: alcyon
With all the good praise I hear about PYB, it seems its unavailable in my country.

What other modern Shell conventional oils are readily available in your country? Pennzoil, Quaker State, and Formula Shell, for instance, are pretty darned close to one another.


Are they maybe the same basic stuff given that they all have the same parent company?
 
Here are some pics from my buddy's Jeep Cherokee 4.0L when we did a valve cover gasket. The Jeep had a little over 110k on it and judging by the receipts he found in the glove box it had a steady diet of PYB 10w30 and Fram orange cans every 3500-4000 miles.

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This is probably the cleanest and quietest running 4.0 engine I've ever seen, and I've seen quite a few.
 
I don't use mineral oils much now days.
We can't get PYB here.
Castrol GTX has never let me down.

Yet, somehow I am jealous of your PYB. Always good reports from people who use it, and great VOAs.

Yes, I could use Shell. It should be a similar product. But it's not the same thing, wrong jug colour for one.
 
Originally Posted By: Virtus_Probi
Are they maybe the same basic stuff given that they all have the same parent company?

They are relatively close when one looks at VOAs. I wouldn't go so far as to say they're identical products, since SOPUS has said they're not, and a VOA won't tell you that anyhow, but I'd consider them all excellent products and would use (and have used) any of them with confidence.
 
Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Here are some pics from my buddy's Jeep Cherokee 4.0L when we did a valve cover gasket. The Jeep had a little over 110k on it and judging by the receipts he found in the glove box it had a steady diet of PYB 10w30 and Fram orange cans every 3500-4000 miles.

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This is probably the cleanest and quietest running 4.0 engine I've ever seen, and I've seen quite a few.


Looks awsome! Pyb keeps leading me to question the logic of running synthetics more and more.
 
Back years ago I think I told myself I'd never use Pennzoil.
Liked a lot of UOAs on PYB, now its what I use in my DD and may just stick to it but also have thought of going to HM oil but only have almost 90k on the DD.
 
If I ever scaled back my OCI on the Accord to something like 5k, I think I'd give PYB 5w20 a go. Honestly, I think it could even go a bit further with all of the highway miles I do. Impressive.
 
I've seen it mentioned a few times on here that pyb 5w20 is a syn blend. I always quote and ask but never an answer.

I feel like this would be wider known and mentioned more often if true.
 
Originally Posted By: Justin251
I've seen it mentioned a few times on here that pyb 5w20 is a syn blend. I always quote and ask but never an answer.

I feel like this would be wider known and mentioned more often if true.


Just about every PCMO you can buy is a syn blend, if you want to go down the technical route.
 
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Justin251
I've seen it mentioned a few times on here that pyb 5w20 is a syn blend. I always quote and ask but never an answer.

I feel like this would be wider known and mentioned more often if true.


Just about every PCMO you can buy is a syn blend, if you want to go down the technical route.


Agreed. Furthermore, I thought I saw something a LONG time ago stating that any 20 wt required some "syn." Either way, I would be willing to bet that PYB would perform similarly to many "blends." Perhaps even better. If I recall, the TBN starts at something like 8.8. So, it should be a top performer, minus those that require a particular spec or are forced induction. Like I said, I might even try some shorter OCI's in the accord on it. Of course, I'd do a UOA.
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Originally Posted By: BTLew81
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Justin251
I've seen it mentioned a few times on here that pyb 5w20 is a syn blend. I always quote and ask but never an answer.

I feel like this would be wider known and mentioned more often if true.


Just about every PCMO you can buy is a syn blend, if you want to go down the technical route.


Agreed. Furthermore, I thought I saw something a LONG time ago stating that any 20 wt required some "syn." Either way, I would be willing to bet that PYB would perform similarly to many "blends." Perhaps even better. If I recall, the TBN starts at something like 8.8. So, it should be a top performer, minus those that require a particular spec or are forced induction. Like I said, I might even try some shorter OCI's in the accord on it. Of course, I'd do a UOA.
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Unless there is proof that there is at least some group III in these conventional oils, calling it a blend is just creating an urban legend. These companies make blends that have group III in them and market them as...... blends. They also charge more for them.

Also, the statement about 20 weights is incorrect. That statement was made in reference to blending a 0w-20, which requires at least some synthetic base stocks to hit the 0w-xx cold flow target.
 

i just took this pic at my local ace hardware. Looks like it is available in my country..albeit only 10w40 and 20w50.
however its only available from ace hardware.
Its a little bit more costly than dinos available here. Buying 4 qt of pyb will set me back rm103.
shell helix ultra ..my current fill is on sale for rm149..which isnt that much more.
my question is..are there any area ..like lubricity..that the pyb is better than helix ultra? Its tough for me to justify pyb in my country unless there is a reduction in wear.
what do you guys think ?
 
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I believe SOPUS makes both products, Pennzoil + QS + Shell.

Given that PYB is conventional, and the Shell Ultra is synthetic (it is here), then I would stick with the shell. It proabaly a better product, with many of the same features as PYB.
 
That valve train looks great! When I first started driving I used PYB in just about everything I owned exclusively. PYB IMO is the best of the bunch when it comes to conventional oil.
 
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