Mobil 1 ESP is under $5.60 a quart at Walmart. No way any Amsoil product is close to that even if you prepay for the membership. Also free shipping when you buy two 5-quart containers.
Over another oil with the same winter rating?
No motor is 100% Synthetic it is all a marketing scheme. Even the guy doing the Amsoil blog admitted it. There are only four companies that provide base oil stock to all the oil blender companies, per Lake Speed Jr, the motor oil geek. It is all about the additive package that blenders use. PP uses GTL gas to liquid tech and a robust additive package with tri-moly which equals three times the moly of the parts per million shown on oil analysis reports. All at half the price or more of Amsoil when purchased in the 5gt jug at Walmart. Until Sep 2024 Shell the owner of the Pennzoil brand is offering a $25 rebate on 10 qts. = Per qt price $2.30.
It’s about both the formulation and the base stock composition. It isn’t either/or as both contribute to the overall performance.
All I know is from watching videos on YouTube and talking to mechanics is all the synthetic oils today that meet API or other standards are so much better than oils 30 years ago and there is no reason to over pay for motor oil, because it all does the job. I have been using synthetic oils since 1980 and I have never had an engine fail even with 200,000 plus miles. Transmission failure or suspension problems or paint and body rust where the repair costs exceeded the value of the car. My father a mechanic from 1948 to 1995 told me change your oil and filter every 3,000 miles and you will not have a problem. He never used synthetic oil and never had any problems. OCI is much more important than wich synthetic oil you use period. I know guys that use cheap name brand oil that meets API standards do 3,000 mile oci and go 300,000 to 400,000 miles. So there is really no reason to over pay for oil period. I do all my own oil changes and so do many of my friends.
Hiding in the woodwork, only 8 posts since 2014. Just curious, what drew you out?
Hey I can’t argue thats a good a$$ price for that oil . M1 has been good for me threw the years , I never used the ESP but heard good things
PP, PUP are fine. But if I were to "step up", I'd buy the PP Euro 0W-40 - 229.5 is a tough spec.
Seeing all the ads for Amsoil wondering if it is really a better oil. Watching hours of project farm videos and others on YouTube. Talking to new Ford mechanic friend of my brother's. Conclusion Pennzoil Platinum at current price point for 5 qt jug cannot be beat.
Can't find it in store, on line only, so it does not qualify for rebate. My son uses PP EURO 5W40 in his 2017 Alfa Giulia Quadrifogli. Excellent oil report at 6,000 miles, could go 2 to 3 K miles more but he is staying with 6K oci.
It's not complicated. Sure PP is a good engine oil but if you're going to compare to it Amsoil's best which is their SS line then that's not a realistic comparison because of SS's capability for long drains, which you probably wouldn't be shooting for with PP. Also it's been mentioned quite often here that a lot of auto mechanics aren't that well versed in tribology. My choice of the Walmart engine oils would probably be M1 ESP for a few bucks more than PP. I don't really buy into that 3k mile OCI regimen especially on a port injected engine, seems like a total waste of good oil and money .
That’s part of the problem, not the solution.
If they did it would show up on the SDS, assuming that is accurate and current.
Where else are you going to get any information. Not from the oil blenders. Trade secret, we are not goig to disclose how much group lII, IV, V or what ever is in our blend. Lol. I have learned plenty watching Lake Speed Jr videos. I do 6 to 7 K mile oci. And I am sure most synthetic oils at Walmart would do the job. I do one oil change per year. Probably over thinking the oil brand issue. But I don't get the Amsoil, HLF and other fan boys that pay triple + for motor oil. I have owned 25 cars since 1980 always used Mobil 1 Castrol or Pennzoil synthetic oils never had a motor fail. So, I will continue to use PP or PUP for now, with the current $25 rebate $2.30 per qt when buying 2-5qt jugs, how could you go wrong. Most of the stuff I read on line is just opinion even on this site.
