Pennzoil Platinum and Ultra Platinum NOACK values

[Gokhan]

Shell removed the NOACK information from their GTL-based PurePlus oils shortly after they published their PDS's. I've found this info on some blog and I'm posting them for reference purposes here:

Pennzoil Platinum: Old Pennzoil Platinum
PUP: Old Pennzoil Ultra
Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus: New Penzpoil Platinum with PurePlus
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum PurePlus: New Pennzoil Ultra Platinum with PurePlus

All are API SN (not SN Plus).

NOACK values (%)

Pennzoil Platinum 0W-20: 14.0%
Pennzoil Platinum 5W-20: 13.2%
Pennzoil Platinum 5w30: 12.5%
Pennzoil Platinum 10w30: 9.7%

Pennzoil Ultra Platium 5w30: 6.6%
Pennzoil Ultra Platium 10w30: 4.8%

Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus 0W-20: 10.8%
Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus 5W-20: 8.6%
Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus 5w30: 10.1%
Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus 10w30: 4.7%

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum PurePlus 5W-20: 10+%
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum PurePlus 5w30: 11.5%
Pennzoil Ultra Platinum PurePlus 10w30: 5.7%

SVT Performance blog

Additions and corrections are welcome.

 

[webfors]

This makes me want Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus 10w30 for summer!

 

[4wd]

Far more important liquids to get past a Texas summer …

 

[4wd]

Source is 2014 SVT site and additions and corrections are welcome?

The volatility number for Shell GTL is the number 5 … as in 5th … lots of eggs in that basket …

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: 4WD
Source is 2014 SVT site and additions and corrections are welcome?

The volatility number for Shell GTL is the number 5 … as in 5th … lots of eggs in that basket …

I'm not sure what you mean. As I said Shell removed the NOACK info shortly after publishing them in 2014 but these guys were kind enough to copy and paste them on their blog before that happened.

New dexos1 Gen 2 and SN Plus formulations are appearing and the values will change again very soon.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: webfors
This makes me want Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus 10w30 for summer!

Or if you live in the South or Southwest, you can use it year-round.

 

[Linctex]

Originally Posted By: webfors
This makes me want Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus 10w30 for summer!


If you have a good cooling system... it won't matter.

 

[4wd]

So was that before or after the plant shut down? … these are real questions when you have all your eggs in one basket … and for us that basket must move from the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Mexico …

 

[4wd]

So the Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w30 and Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0w40 were in the clearance aisle again … I got some Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w30 ... that’s the “gap” in my stash ! When did those come out ? After 2014?

I’m holding a fair amount of 40’s … but Valvoline 5w40 MST for $3/quart was harder to pass over …

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: 4WD
So was that before or after the plant shut down? … these are real questions when you have all your eggs in one basket … and for us that basket must move from the Persian Gulf to the Gulf of Mexico …

Shell had to reduce the output of the Qatar Pearl GTL plant for maintenance about a year ago and then resumed full operation a few months later. There wasn't a full shutdown as far as I know.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: 4WD
So the Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w30 and Pennzoil Platinum Euro 0w40 were in the clearance aisle again … I got some Pennzoil Platinum Euro 5w30 ... that’s the “gap” in my stash ! When did those come out ? After 2014?

I’m holding a fair amount of 40’s … but Valvoline 5w40 MST for $3/quart was harder to pass over …

Shell's GTL-based oils should say PurePlus on the bottle. Although, in the past they used surplus GTL base oil even in Pennzoil conventional etc.

 

[4wd]

Yes … they attempt to conduct planned shut downs one train at a time … (regardless of GTL, LNG, or Chardonnay) … this is how planned “shuts” go (outside of single point failures) and unplanned get more “interesting” (let’s say) when you engineer such dependency and an asset ages … geopolitics mission creeps etc …
Transportation is also a unique risk to go all in like this … (5th) … we’ll see …

 

[Nyogtha]

Shell has certainly taken an "In for a penny, in for a pound" philosophy to the extreme in the Pearl facility. Who knows if it will ever show a positive return over the typical 20 year depreciation life used for such assets.

I'm still not convinced excess GTL base stock was used in non-premium Shell products, as no one has ever explained where the XHVI base stock displaced by GTL production wound up, especially the low NOACK stuff used to formulate PU.

 

[hatt]

Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: webfors
This makes me want Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus 10w30 for summer!

Or if you live in the South or Southwest, you can use it year-round.

I've had Pennzoil Platinum PurePlus 10w30 in single digits F temps. Nothing to report. Cold engine acted normal. Delo 15w30 also ran fine in low teens.

 

[demarpaint]

I'm confused, I got up early. The source is from 2014? If so how do we know the current numbers are still in play in 2018? For real, not opinions as to if they are or aren't the same now?

 

[Virtus_Probi]

The PQIA looked at the old Pennzoil Ultra and Pennzoil Platinum back in 2013...the had the NOACK loss for the latter as lower than shown above.

http://www.pqiamerica.com/March2013PCMO/Marchsyntheticsallfinal.html

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Although, in the past they used surplus GTL base oil even in Pennzoil conventional etc.


That was BITOG speculation and never confirmed by Shell.

 

[PimTac]

4 years is a long time and oils have been reformulated more than once since then.

 

[UNC151]

Sometimes I love diving into the minutiae of oil chemistry to posit and calculate the "best" oil for my vehicles, then at other times I come to my senses and just pick one, pour it in, and focus on more important things.

In the end, does it really matter?

 

[SilverSnake]

Originally Posted By: 2015_PSD
In the end, does it really matter?


Using what I perceive to be the best oil I can buy in my vehicles gives me piece of mind. Does that matter? Yes. What matters to one individual may mean nothing at all to another. It is purely personal.