Neighbor bought some over tgving and asked me to change the oil. Was Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 5W30 for his F150. Knowing about the issue I shook the bottle. I poured it in and stopped at about 1/4 qt to see if there is fallout. Was a moderate amount in the lower troughs at the edge. Sloshed it around, nothing happened. Then I thought about what sonofjoe said about heat, took it to the slop sink, turned on the hot water, and heated the bottom of the bottle for 30 seconds. I have 145 deg water.Hair dryer could do the trick too. I sloshed it around a few times, and it was all dissolved and clean at the bottom. Dried the bottle and gave it some extra time to drain in. So, if the fallout bothers you give this a try.
Pennzoil Fallout problem - possible solution
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Interesting. However, you will never see me taking the time to heat a bottle to solve this "additive fall out problem" that seems to be ruining millions of engines and throwing off VOAs due to lower numbers. Oh wait...
Seriously, just shake and go. For the amount of time spent, there is probably no benefit to this "issue." Has anyone actually confirmed that this residue is actually meaningful additives? It happens to many oils just not Pennzoil.....
Seriously, just shake and go. For the amount of time spent, there is probably no benefit to this "issue." Has anyone actually confirmed that this residue is actually meaningful additives? It happens to many oils just not Pennzoil.....
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Neat trick on the fallout issue. I use mobil 1 from my mega stash put away in 1989 for the 4.6L crown vics here, very little fallout in the old bottles but i will use your method in the spring.
Originally Posted By: volk06
Interesting. However, you will never see me taking the time to heat a bottle to solve this "additive fall out problem" that seems to be ruining millions of engines and throwing off VOAs due to lower numbers. Oh wait...
Seriously, just shake and go. For the amount of time spent, there is probably no benefit to this "issue." Has anyone actually confirmed that this residue is actually meaningful additives? It happens to many oils just not Pennzoil.....
Understood and agreed, but this is the Bob is the oil guy website you know! According to Pennzoil FWIW, the substance in the bottom in no way affects the product in any way. They know people may very well go ahead and test it, would they want their foot in their mouth?
Interesting. However, you will never see me taking the time to heat a bottle to solve this "additive fall out problem" that seems to be ruining millions of engines and throwing off VOAs due to lower numbers. Oh wait...
Seriously, just shake and go. For the amount of time spent, there is probably no benefit to this "issue." Has anyone actually confirmed that this residue is actually meaningful additives? It happens to many oils just not Pennzoil.....
Understood and agreed, but this is the Bob is the oil guy website you know! According to Pennzoil FWIW, the substance in the bottom in no way affects the product in any way. They know people may very well go ahead and test it, would they want their foot in their mouth?
Originally Posted By: NoNameJoe
Are you sure it was fallout in this case and not just dirt under the bottom of the bottle that coincidentally washed off when you ran the bottom under water?
No, there are many videos about this issue on YT. I was able to see the residue slowly dissolve into solution.
Are you sure it was fallout in this case and not just dirt under the bottom of the bottle that coincidentally washed off when you ran the bottom under water?
No, there are many videos about this issue on YT. I was able to see the residue slowly dissolve into solution.
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Here's my 5 quart jug of Pennzoil Platinum High Mileage 10W30. The bottom of the jug is perfectly clean spotless!! Has never been shaken,stirred,mixed,put in a blender,etc 
Date on oil jug is 11/MAY/16.
Date on oil jug is 11/MAY/16. Originally Posted By: ford46guy
Originally Posted By: NoNameJoe
Are you sure it was fallout in this case and not just dirt under the bottom of the bottle that coincidentally washed off when you ran the bottom under water?
No, there are many videos about this issue on YT. I was able to see the residue slowly dissolve into solution.
My question would be how many people on YouTube even have a concept of what they're looking at let alone have approached SOPUS or someone knowledgeable to confirm what the substance is?? It seems to me if Pennzoil references this as a by-product of production we're just needing a better answer than the seemingly canned answer that was received in the other thread.
I can tell you I have no problems with it as it's been in more than one of the PP jugs I've bought and I don't look at it as additive that's fallen out of suspension...but something in the "other" category. Shaking doesn't do anything with it.
The next thread will probably be that it isn't something that fell out of suspension and you're messing with the oil chemistry if you put it into suspension by heating it.
Originally Posted By: NoNameJoe
Are you sure it was fallout in this case and not just dirt under the bottom of the bottle that coincidentally washed off when you ran the bottom under water?
No, there are many videos about this issue on YT. I was able to see the residue slowly dissolve into solution.
My question would be how many people on YouTube even have a concept of what they're looking at let alone have approached SOPUS or someone knowledgeable to confirm what the substance is?? It seems to me if Pennzoil references this as a by-product of production we're just needing a better answer than the seemingly canned answer that was received in the other thread.
I can tell you I have no problems with it as it's been in more than one of the PP jugs I've bought and I don't look at it as additive that's fallen out of suspension...but something in the "other" category. Shaking doesn't do anything with it.
The next thread will probably be that it isn't something that fell out of suspension and you're messing with the oil chemistry if you put it into suspension by heating it.
I've said it before, here it goes again. I've seen it in other brands too, Mobil 1, Castrol, Havoline, and Pennzoil come to mind there's more. Shake and pour, I've done so for years.
I had the same 'residues' left on Castrol GTX Conventional 5w30 oil, shared a picture on a different thread too:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4290744#Post4290744
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/4290744#Post4290744
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A solution to a non-issue?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I've said it before, here it goes again. I've seen it in other brands too, Mobil 1, Castrol, Havoline, and Pennzoil come to mind there's more. Shake and pour, I've done so for years.
Sounds like I can apply OP's solution to this "problem" to the other branded oils' apparent "problems" as well
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I've said it before, here it goes again. I've seen it in other brands too, Mobil 1, Castrol, Havoline, and Pennzoil come to mind there's more. Shake and pour, I've done so for years.
Sounds like I can apply OP's solution to this "problem" to the other branded oils' apparent "problems" as well
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I posted a while back about this issue with Pennzoil but i don't think it is a problem because all the years i used Pennzoil i never had any engine problems.. This is not the reason why i stopped using pennzoil.. I think Pennzoil is good oil..
Originally Posted By: ford46guy
Originally Posted By: NoNameJoe
Are you sure it was fallout in this case and not just dirt under the bottom of the bottle that coincidentally washed off when you ran the bottom under water?
No, there are many videos about this issue on YT. I was able to see the residue slowly dissolve into solution.
I'm not questioning whether this has ever happened. I've seen the videos and heard about the "issue". What I was asking was whether you made a mistake and there was no way for me or anyone to know without asking.
If you're sure it was inside the bottle then it could be fall out, I don't think any body knows what it is right now.
Originally Posted By: NoNameJoe
Are you sure it was fallout in this case and not just dirt under the bottom of the bottle that coincidentally washed off when you ran the bottom under water?
No, there are many videos about this issue on YT. I was able to see the residue slowly dissolve into solution.
I'm not questioning whether this has ever happened. I've seen the videos and heard about the "issue". What I was asking was whether you made a mistake and there was no way for me or anyone to know without asking.
If you're sure it was inside the bottle then it could be fall out, I don't think any body knows what it is right now.
Just a couple of comments on this subject...
By now, Shell will be very aware of this fall-out problem.
Now whatever your views as a BITOG reader are (me - it's not right, others - meh, whatever) one thing is for certain; Shell will be incandescent with anger that the quality of their oils is being questioned in full public view like this. The guys in Sleepy Hollow will have had endless meetings over this. A special Task Force will have been set up. Anything appearing in cyberspace that mentions 'oil fall-out' (like this thread for example) will have been logged and assessed. Also significant pressure will have been applied from upon high to 'Just get it f*****g fixed!'.
Now big and mighty as they are, it is the way of things that Shell themselves will have been utterly useless at doing anything to actually solve the problem. They will be quite paralysed. They will say the barest minimum possible and what they do say will minimise and trivialise the problem with anything they do say pre-screened by the guys in Legal. Don't expect Shell to either engage in any debate or publish any of the mass of analysis they will have carried out on these deposits. It will just not happen. Ever!
The responsibility for actually solving the problem will by now have been 100% dumped onto the AddCo that supplies the DI/VII system (even though Shell's GTL base oil is probably as much to blame). When I say 'the AddCo', what I actually mean is the one poor sod who formulated this particular family of oils. You might expect there to be 'a team' of people to be responsible but it's amazing how few friends you have when the brown stuff truly hits the fan!
To that person, if you're reading this, I just want to say, stick with it. Weather the storm. Don't crack or go crazy. Finally don't expect anyone, either from Shell or your own side, to clap when you finally figure out a solution. Also reflect on the fact that jumping from a fifth floor window to escape an asylum might hurt to begin with but long term might be the best thing you ever do.
By now, Shell will be very aware of this fall-out problem.
Now whatever your views as a BITOG reader are (me - it's not right, others - meh, whatever) one thing is for certain; Shell will be incandescent with anger that the quality of their oils is being questioned in full public view like this. The guys in Sleepy Hollow will have had endless meetings over this. A special Task Force will have been set up. Anything appearing in cyberspace that mentions 'oil fall-out' (like this thread for example) will have been logged and assessed. Also significant pressure will have been applied from upon high to 'Just get it f*****g fixed!'.
Now big and mighty as they are, it is the way of things that Shell themselves will have been utterly useless at doing anything to actually solve the problem. They will be quite paralysed. They will say the barest minimum possible and what they do say will minimise and trivialise the problem with anything they do say pre-screened by the guys in Legal. Don't expect Shell to either engage in any debate or publish any of the mass of analysis they will have carried out on these deposits. It will just not happen. Ever!
The responsibility for actually solving the problem will by now have been 100% dumped onto the AddCo that supplies the DI/VII system (even though Shell's GTL base oil is probably as much to blame). When I say 'the AddCo', what I actually mean is the one poor sod who formulated this particular family of oils. You might expect there to be 'a team' of people to be responsible but it's amazing how few friends you have when the brown stuff truly hits the fan!
To that person, if you're reading this, I just want to say, stick with it. Weather the storm. Don't crack or go crazy. Finally don't expect anyone, either from Shell or your own side, to clap when you finally figure out a solution. Also reflect on the fact that jumping from a fifth floor window to escape an asylum might hurt to begin with but long term might be the best thing you ever do.
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A solution to a non-issue?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I've said it before, here it goes again. I've seen it in other brands too, Mobil 1, Castrol, Havoline, and Pennzoil come to mind there's more. Shake and pour, I've done so for years.
Sounds like I can apply OP's solution to this "problem" to the other branded oils' apparent "problems" as well
If I thought it was a real serious problem I wouldn't have used the oil.
The shaking of the product comes from a lifetime of working with paint, it carried over.
And once again Pennzoil isn't the only oil that has this problem. Maybe the companies that are supplying the additives should take note here.
A solution to a non-issue?
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
I've said it before, here it goes again. I've seen it in other brands too, Mobil 1, Castrol, Havoline, and Pennzoil come to mind there's more. Shake and pour, I've done so for years.
Sounds like I can apply OP's solution to this "problem" to the other branded oils' apparent "problems" as well
If I thought it was a real serious problem I wouldn't have used the oil.
And once again Pennzoil isn't the only oil that has this problem. Maybe the companies that are supplying the additives should take note here.
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