Out of curiosity, what oils/brands (if any) are made solely from Penn State crude? Or, heck, solely domestically sourced crude oil?
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Brad Penn, so Ive heard
Pennzoil is SOPUS, not Brad Penn, right? What normal brands does Brad Penn produce for?
Brad Penn is the brand. It is made by American Refinery Company in the old Kendall plant in Bradford, PA. They also make Gulf motor oil distributed in the Northeast.
http://www.amref.com/
http://www.amref.com/
American Refining Group (ARG) owns the plant in Bradford PA which make Brad Penn. As far as I know they are the only refinery producing 100% Pennsylvania crude motor oil. Brad Penn and apparently now Gulf lubricants are ARG products.
"The American Refining Group, Inc. refinery in Bradford, Pennsylvania is a fully integrated blending and packaging facility, providing the highest quality products refined from 100% Pennsylvania Grade Crude Oil. The quality process can be traced from the well head directly to the finished packaged product. In fact, for over 120 years the ARG refinery has maintained its reputation of manufacturing the highest quality products refined from 100% Pennsylvania Grade Crude Oil. Pennsylvania Grade Crude Oil is free of asphalt constituents. Sulfur and nitrogen are present in only trace amounts. Pennsylvania Grade Crude Oil has a natural high viscosity index which makes it an excellent choice for being refined into lubricating base stocks."
"The American Refining Group, Inc. refinery in Bradford, Pennsylvania is a fully integrated blending and packaging facility, providing the highest quality products refined from 100% Pennsylvania Grade Crude Oil. The quality process can be traced from the well head directly to the finished packaged product. In fact, for over 120 years the ARG refinery has maintained its reputation of manufacturing the highest quality products refined from 100% Pennsylvania Grade Crude Oil. Pennsylvania Grade Crude Oil is free of asphalt constituents. Sulfur and nitrogen are present in only trace amounts. Pennsylvania Grade Crude Oil has a natural high viscosity index which makes it an excellent choice for being refined into lubricating base stocks."
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Pennzoil is SOPUS, not Brad Penn, right? What normal brands does Brad Penn produce for?
Brad Penn is made at the old Kendall refinery in Brandford, PA (which is now owned and operated by American Refining Group). The Brad Penn refinery only purchases and refines Penn Grade crude from wells in PA, NY, WV, and OH. Any products produced at this refinery come from 100% U.S. oil.
In addition to Brad Penn they produce Gulf oil products for the Northeast and New England and they do blend and bottle for some independent customers.
Pennzoil is SOPUS, not Brad Penn, right? What normal brands does Brad Penn produce for?
Brad Penn is made at the old Kendall refinery in Brandford, PA (which is now owned and operated by American Refining Group). The Brad Penn refinery only purchases and refines Penn Grade crude from wells in PA, NY, WV, and OH. Any products produced at this refinery come from 100% U.S. oil.
In addition to Brad Penn they produce Gulf oil products for the Northeast and New England and they do blend and bottle for some independent customers.
Be careful when buying Gulf products.
Some of them are registered trademarks of the licensing division which incorporated it's company in the Cayman Islands years ago. I hate supporting tax dodging companies.
I'm still unable to determine what part of the business Chevron owns and what parts are licensed by the Cayman entity. They have made this transaction very covert, and very devious.
If ARG has begun paying licensing fees to the Cayman entity to use the Gulf name that would be a very sad thing in my book. If it turns out to be a deal with Chevron with no payments to the Caymen licensing division, that would be cool.
Some of them are registered trademarks of the licensing division which incorporated it's company in the Cayman Islands years ago. I hate supporting tax dodging companies.
I'm still unable to determine what part of the business Chevron owns and what parts are licensed by the Cayman entity. They have made this transaction very covert, and very devious.
If ARG has begun paying licensing fees to the Cayman entity to use the Gulf name that would be a very sad thing in my book. If it turns out to be a deal with Chevron with no payments to the Caymen licensing division, that would be cool.
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Thanks, GMAN for adding the distinction, Pennsylvanian GRADE crude.
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How about a Cayman entity wants to produce a branded oil? The call up BradPenn and say "Wanna make my oil under my label?" ...ARG says, "Sure. It will cost you just like the other clowns".
Thanks, GMAN for adding the distinction, Pennsylvanian GRADE crude.
Fine, if they want to market their products in the Cayman Islands. But our Government made a huge mistake when they allowed foreign registered companies that dont pay taxes in America to sell product in the US.
Companies dont register in the Caymans for any altruistic reasons, do they?
Thanks, GMAN for adding the distinction, Pennsylvanian GRADE crude.
Fine, if they want to market their products in the Cayman Islands. But our Government made a huge mistake when they allowed foreign registered companies that dont pay taxes in America to sell product in the US.
Companies dont register in the Caymans for any altruistic reasons, do they?
Didn't I read some of the Citgo in the north east is American?
The Gulf Oil story is an interesting read with many twists, turns, divestments, licensees and holding companies... As far as I can tell, the US lubricants division is very domestic.
"In 1999, Gulf Oil Limited Partnership, a licensee of Chevron U.S.A. Inc. (the owner of the Gulf® trademark), appointed American Refining Group, Inc. (ARG) as Master Distributor of Gulf Lubricants for an eleven state area in the northeast." - http://www.gulflubricants.net
Gulf Oil Limited Partnership is HQ'd in Framingham, Massachusetts and majority owned by Cumberland Farms (also HQ'd in Mass.)
Gulf Oil International, Ltd is the Gulf HQ'd in the Caymans and seem to market a whole different set of lubricants - http://www.gulfoilltd.com/products_services/gulf_lubricants/motorist_oils/index.html
So, if you want to get Penn grade Gulf, be sure to look for ARG/GOLP markings on the bottle.
"In 1999, Gulf Oil Limited Partnership, a licensee of Chevron U.S.A. Inc. (the owner of the Gulf® trademark), appointed American Refining Group, Inc. (ARG) as Master Distributor of Gulf Lubricants for an eleven state area in the northeast." - http://www.gulflubricants.net
Gulf Oil Limited Partnership is HQ'd in Framingham, Massachusetts and majority owned by Cumberland Farms (also HQ'd in Mass.)
Gulf Oil International, Ltd is the Gulf HQ'd in the Caymans and seem to market a whole different set of lubricants - http://www.gulfoilltd.com/products_services/gulf_lubricants/motorist_oils/index.html
So, if you want to get Penn grade Gulf, be sure to look for ARG/GOLP markings on the bottle.
Originally Posted By: IntegraVT
The Gulf Oil story is an interesting read with many twists, turns, divestments, licensees and holding companies... As far as I can tell, the US lubricants division is very domestic.
"In 1999, Gulf Oil Limited Partnership, a licensee of Chevron U.S.A. Inc. (the owner of the Gulf® trademark), appointed American Refining Group, Inc. (ARG) as Master Distributor of Gulf Lubricants for an eleven state area in the northeast." - http://www.gulflubricants.net
Gulf Oil Limited Partnership is HQ'd in Framingham, Massachusetts and majority owned by Cumberland Farms (also HQ'd in Mass.)
Gulf Oil International, Ltd is the Gulf HQ'd in the Caymans and seem to market a whole different set of lubricants - http://www.gulfoilltd.com/products_services/gulf_lubricants/motorist_oils/index.html
So, if you want to get Penn grade Gulf, be sure to look for ARG/GOLP markings on the bottle.
Thanks for the info.....I knew Chevron assumed some of their refineries and retail sites. From there it gets really murky.
So the Cayman Co does not market products here in the States, just the Chevron branch of the corporate tree?
I thought that Cumberland Farms and the Cayman Gulf were tied together somehow.
The Gulf Oil story is an interesting read with many twists, turns, divestments, licensees and holding companies... As far as I can tell, the US lubricants division is very domestic.
"In 1999, Gulf Oil Limited Partnership, a licensee of Chevron U.S.A. Inc. (the owner of the Gulf® trademark), appointed American Refining Group, Inc. (ARG) as Master Distributor of Gulf Lubricants for an eleven state area in the northeast." - http://www.gulflubricants.net
Gulf Oil Limited Partnership is HQ'd in Framingham, Massachusetts and majority owned by Cumberland Farms (also HQ'd in Mass.)
Gulf Oil International, Ltd is the Gulf HQ'd in the Caymans and seem to market a whole different set of lubricants - http://www.gulfoilltd.com/products_services/gulf_lubricants/motorist_oils/index.html
So, if you want to get Penn grade Gulf, be sure to look for ARG/GOLP markings on the bottle.
Thanks for the info.....I knew Chevron assumed some of their refineries and retail sites. From there it gets really murky.
So the Cayman Co does not market products here in the States, just the Chevron branch of the corporate tree?
I thought that Cumberland Farms and the Cayman Gulf were tied together somehow.
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Regarding retail motor-fuel and engine oil sales, in the USA "Gulf LLP" doesn't make anything anymore. It's just a brand name now, owned by Cumberland Farms. They buy their fuel from other refiners on the open market and store it in either leased or Gulf owned terminals. They add their proprietary "Advent 21" detergent package (which is probably a off the shelf "meets EPA" detergent) Gulf LLC mainly operates in the Northeast/New England area.
The Caymen Gulf Ltd. is a company that operates gas stations in the UK and other countries. From the website....
"In addition to the UK, quickly growing Gulf service station networks can currently be found in Belgium, Germany, Jordan, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Turkey and Indonesia."
The Caymen Gulf Ltd. is a company that operates gas stations in the UK and other countries. From the website....
"In addition to the UK, quickly growing Gulf service station networks can currently be found in Belgium, Germany, Jordan, Luxemburg, Netherlands, Turkey and Indonesia."
I dont think it matters anymore. It used to be a huge marketing angle from (Pennzoil, I believe) who used to push that Pennsylvania crude was purer oil and contained less or no parafin. at least that was the story I remember - although it may have been 3rd hand.
Originally Posted By: tomcat27
I dont think it matters anymore. It used to be a huge marketing angle from (Pennzoil, I believe) who used to push that Pennsylvania crude was purer oil and contained less or no parafin. at least that was the story I remember - although it may have been 3rd hand.
Quaker State used to do the same. I still have some of the old cans on my desk.
I dont think it matters anymore. It used to be a huge marketing angle from (Pennzoil, I believe) who used to push that Pennsylvania crude was purer oil and contained less or no parafin. at least that was the story I remember - although it may have been 3rd hand.
Quaker State used to do the same. I still have some of the old cans on my desk.
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why the concern about where the crude is form?
Could be a buy American thing. Could be the Pennsylvania grade oil thing. A hundred years ago you refine a usable lubricating oil out of it with the primitive refining techniques available then.
I wonder if it would have set the oil industry and the automotive industry both back if the first oil discovered hadn't been some of the easiest to refine into motor oil.
why the concern about where the crude is form?
Could be a buy American thing. Could be the Pennsylvania grade oil thing. A hundred years ago you refine a usable lubricating oil out of it with the primitive refining techniques available then.
I wonder if it would have set the oil industry and the automotive industry both back if the first oil discovered hadn't been some of the easiest to refine into motor oil.
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Originally Posted By: ThirdeYe
tomcat27 said:Quaker State used to do the same. I still have some of the old cans on my desk.
Used to be a lot of quakers in Pennsylvania. I think.
Hi Rudolph, it's known as Penn Grade Crude (not Penn State).
American Refining Group (ARG)is the ONE and ONLY refinery remaining in Pa. which exclusively refines 100% Penn Grade Crude. Pennzoil, Quaker State, Kendall - all those former Penn based brands are now being refined and blended elsewhere using NON-Penn Grade Crudes and baseoils.
ARG makes and markets BradPenn, Gulf branded lubes (under license to Chevron for marketing in several Northeastern States) and probably a few undisclosed private label brands. However, they DO NOT private label the racing/high performance oil formulations. The Penn Grade Crude is unique as a lubricant, and always the same from bottle to bottle. The ARG people are the world's most experienced in the world (128 years continuously without a break)and are highly trustworthy as far as suppliers go.
American Refining Group (ARG)is the ONE and ONLY refinery remaining in Pa. which exclusively refines 100% Penn Grade Crude. Pennzoil, Quaker State, Kendall - all those former Penn based brands are now being refined and blended elsewhere using NON-Penn Grade Crudes and baseoils.
ARG makes and markets BradPenn, Gulf branded lubes (under license to Chevron for marketing in several Northeastern States) and probably a few undisclosed private label brands. However, they DO NOT private label the racing/high performance oil formulations. The Penn Grade Crude is unique as a lubricant, and always the same from bottle to bottle. The ARG people are the world's most experienced in the world (128 years continuously without a break)and are highly trustworthy as far as suppliers go.
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