P1 Autopsy- 10K Miles

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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
My apologies. Yes, I meant the leaf spring in Jim's picture.

The goal of the spring is to apply pressure to the media element to seal the filter, right? But excess pressure could put too much force on the media, and "crush" is towards the base end, no?


Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
With a metal core and endcaps (and there is no sign of crushing) could the media in my case even be crushed that way?


That was going to be my comment too. The metal center core butts up against both metal end caps, so it's virtually impossible to crush the assembly unless there was some crazy force put on it.

Originally Posted By: dnewton3

And, I would note that the crush factor could probably be an issue in either a spin-on (such as Jim's) or in a cartridge (such as friendly_jaceK). One happens at the factory in assembly; one happens in the garage upon installation. But they both would be a result of the media not fitting in the intended range they were intended to occupy, per the manufacturing print. IOW - some amount of force is desireable; too much is not. Several issues might contribute:
1) media element too long for designed space
2) containment component too short for designed space
3) spring force too great
- material spec'd correctly?
- material made correctly?
- material formed incorrectly?



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... My "theory" on why some Purolator filters have wavy pleats is that the length of the media material is a bit too long to fit properly between the end caps, and that along with use, the media might swell some and make the pleats squirm when they grow a bit in length.

I vagely recall seeing photos of new Purolator filters cut open that even had slightly wavy pleats. This would confirm that the pleats are too long to start with, and could explain why some models have wavy pleats and others don't (ie, Purolator has a dimensional issue on some of their filter assemblies).
 
I've read that excessive moisture can cause waviness-is waviness (without a hole) necessarily even bad? The reason I ask is because the very few Ecores I've used have had tightly packed pleats, with NO chance of waviness, which makes me wonder if the Ecores are made that way intentionally to lessen the chance of media blowout thru the center cage.
 
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Originally Posted By: bullwinkle
I've read that excessive moisture can cause waviness-is waviness (without a hole) necessarily even bad? The reason I ask is because the very few Ecores I've used have had tightly packed pleats, with NO chance of waviness, which makes me wonder if the Ecores are made that way intentionally to lessen the chance of media blowout thru the center cage.


Waviness, without a media hole, is a cosmetic issue. If the filter element remains intact, you get filtration. I get waviness in my short trippers' filters every spring, presumably from moisture build-up.

The only real concern is whether the waviness leads to media failure.
 
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My issue with filter pleats becoming wavy is the pleats appear collapsed so effectively taking some surface area out of filtration. I also have examples (P1 with 10k) where the wavy pleat junction with the end cap adhesive starts to look torn, not yet a hole but certainly compromised.

I also wonder on filters where the pleats are unevenly distributed, if the tightly spaced pleats simply collapse under the oil pressure.
 
Originally Posted By: mr_diy
My issue with filter pleats becoming wavy is the pleats appear collapsed so effectively taking some surface area out of filtration.


I don't think any effective surface area would be taken out of the filtering effectiveness unless the pleat was completely folded over flat.

Originally Posted By: mr_diy
I also have examples (P1 with 10k) where the wavy pleat junction with the end cap adhesive starts to look torn, not yet a hole but certainly compromised.


I did have a Purolator Classic (L14459) tear at the base of the pleat due to a large spaced pleat and the pleat being forced to fold due to oil flow. The media in that particular filter seemed to tear very easily for some reason.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...902#Post2260902

Originally Posted By: mr_diy
I also wonder on filters where the pleats are unevenly distributed, if the tightly spaced pleats simply collapse under the oil pressure.


The tightly spaced pleats are much less likely to fold over or collapse than pleats that are widely gaped/spaced.
 
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