On the newer models, front and rear facias and sideskirts are the primary differences. Platforms and drivetrains are identical. Part numbers are similar, and in some cases the same, and they are all marked with Hyundai and Kia emblems. Hyundai bought Kia over a decade ago.
Opinion on selecting a $15k used Sedan
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Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Yeah, but they don't look like or sound alike. I have friends that have both. The Hyundai rattles, needs a Hyundai oil filter. The Kia doesn't care, very quiet.
It depends on the year, make, and model. Depends on which motors are in the cars.
Yeah, but they don't look like or sound alike. I have friends that have both. The Hyundai rattles, needs a Hyundai oil filter. The Kia doesn't care, very quiet.
It depends on the year, make, and model. Depends on which motors are in the cars.
Sorry, my bad. Just the slipping transmissions and LIMS eaten by Dex. Oh and a PS reservoir barely accessible. under the back of the v6. Oh and the defective valve seals causing oil consumption.
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A 2010 V6 Fusion is the best vehicle I've ever owned in over 6 decades of new purchases of numerous imported & domestic brands (never any Chrysler products). The smooth, quiet 3.0 will deliver 28-31 highway...beter than friend's noisey, less performance 4 cyl Fusions.
Spend a little more and get a new car. Financing is cheap right now - late model used cars are way too expensive IMO. Toyota will give away a new Camry and you can likely get great deals on Malibu, Cruze and even the new Dart with the 2.0L Auto or stick.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
Sorry, my bad. Just the slipping transmissions and LIMS eaten by Dex. Oh and a PS reservoir barely accessible. under the back of the v6. Oh and the defective valve seals causing oil consumption.
Wait.. thats everything...
Older W-car issues, that're not issues on Malibus and later models. I don't disagree the previous W-cars tended to have too many issues, you forgot intermediate steering shaft lol. But the 3.8s don't generally clatter on start up. Still they aren't the only makes that have various issues.
Sorry, my bad. Just the slipping transmissions and LIMS eaten by Dex. Oh and a PS reservoir barely accessible. under the back of the v6. Oh and the defective valve seals causing oil consumption.
Wait.. thats everything...
Older W-car issues, that're not issues on Malibus and later models. I don't disagree the previous W-cars tended to have too many issues, you forgot intermediate steering shaft lol. But the 3.8s don't generally clatter on start up. Still they aren't the only makes that have various issues.
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Another vote for Fusion.
I dont know why so many people buy american...i guess they would be ok if they didnt keep them too long. I read lots of car reviews and the long term reliability of american made cars just seems terrible. They seem to nickle and dime you there whole lives! I say just spend a little extra up front and buy Honda/Toyota and be done with it. Yes Honda/Toyota have issues too. But far fewer. Sorry for my rant.
Originally Posted By: gregk24
I dont know why so many people buy american...i guess they would be ok if they didnt keep them too long. I read lots of car reviews and the long term reliability of american made cars just seems terrible. They seem to nickle and dime you there whole lives! I say just spend a little extra up front and buy Honda/Toyota and be done with it. Yes Honda/Toyota have issues too. But far fewer. Sorry for my rant.
Ha! Very nice troll job, congrats. You can't even spell nickel.
I dont know why so many people buy american...i guess they would be ok if they didnt keep them too long. I read lots of car reviews and the long term reliability of american made cars just seems terrible. They seem to nickle and dime you there whole lives! I say just spend a little extra up front and buy Honda/Toyota and be done with it. Yes Honda/Toyota have issues too. But far fewer. Sorry for my rant.
Ha! Very nice troll job, congrats. You can't even spell nickel.
I haven't been real impressed with my Sonata. The engine and transmissions on NF Sonatas are pretty problem-free. The auxiliary systems are where the real problems are found. The ABS/ESC, airbag and fuel tank emission systems can have issues that are difficult to diagnose, even for the dealer. Mine has had issues with all three systems.
The driving dynamics of it are also not good, on the NF Sonatas, at least.
But, it is quiet and smooth on the highway, and it was cheap. Overall, I wish I would have spent more and bought a better vehicle off the bat.
But it's up to you. Drive them and see if you like them. They generally have worse resale, meaning you can get a newer model for your money.
If you get a Kia/Hyundai, you only get the 5 yr/60k bumper to bumper warranty, you don't get the 100k mile powertrain warranty.
The driving dynamics of it are also not good, on the NF Sonatas, at least.
But, it is quiet and smooth on the highway, and it was cheap. Overall, I wish I would have spent more and bought a better vehicle off the bat.
But it's up to you. Drive them and see if you like them. They generally have worse resale, meaning you can get a newer model for your money.
If you get a Kia/Hyundai, you only get the 5 yr/60k bumper to bumper warranty, you don't get the 100k mile powertrain warranty.
Also, the Mazda 6.
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Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Malibu or fusion should be doable.
I second the Fusion. Have had them as rentals a few times -- very nice cars. Strong V6, comfortable, well-laid out cabin.
The 3.0 V6 gets okay mileage but really no better than the competition's 3.5s. That is unless the Ford variant gets remarkably better gas mileage than the Mazda version of the same engine.I average about 23mpg.
I prefer the cabin lay-out of the Mazda6...so I bought one.
I've rented Fusions. Went to pick it up in the dark and turned on the wipers when I tried to turn on the lights. Had to open the door to turn on the light so I could find the light switch. The gear selector has an "L" position but it doesn't really hold it in low or anything. Since it is the same platform as my Mazda I got lulled into a false sense of capability because of the identical seating position and where the controls are. Almost wadded the thing taking a corner that my Mazda would have tracked right through.
You do get a lot of Malibu for $15,000. 2011 1LT Malibu is easily found. Sometimes it seems like the Malibu is cheaper than a similarly equipped Cruze
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Malibu or fusion should be doable.
I second the Fusion. Have had them as rentals a few times -- very nice cars. Strong V6, comfortable, well-laid out cabin.
The 3.0 V6 gets okay mileage but really no better than the competition's 3.5s. That is unless the Ford variant gets remarkably better gas mileage than the Mazda version of the same engine.I average about 23mpg.
I prefer the cabin lay-out of the Mazda6...so I bought one.
I've rented Fusions. Went to pick it up in the dark and turned on the wipers when I tried to turn on the lights. Had to open the door to turn on the light so I could find the light switch. The gear selector has an "L" position but it doesn't really hold it in low or anything. Since it is the same platform as my Mazda I got lulled into a false sense of capability because of the identical seating position and where the controls are. Almost wadded the thing taking a corner that my Mazda would have tracked right through.
You do get a lot of Malibu for $15,000. 2011 1LT Malibu is easily found. Sometimes it seems like the Malibu is cheaper than a similarly equipped Cruze
Don't believe everything you read, especially Consumer Reports. I see them recommend a new car which is supposed to have much better than average reliability, then they don't recommend it two years later as a used one. Many American cars have issues yet my friends who buy foreign makes have issues too. Pretty much all makes seem to do well over 100,000 miles now a days on the original engines and transmissions. Most don't even spec tuneups till 100,000 miles. Yes, American cars too.
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