Open Carry?

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Originally Posted By: AZjeff


Something nobody is talking about is carrying concealed slows down the presentation compared to open carry. You can practice and speed it up but practice can speed up open presentation too. A valid question is do you worry about what some people thing or getting your weapon on target as quickly as possible?


Fast draw is almost never used (and effective) for a citizen. Most of the time (I learn this from my training.) the alert citizen percieves the threat before the bg has even made him a target. The proper move is to ease your firearm out concealed and see how things umnwrap.

Think about it..if a fast draw is needed the bg has a gun on you. Good luck drawing against a firearm already pointed at you. And think about this also: If you are under threat and go for an exposed firearm guess what..you lose. Whereas you can have your hand on your hidden firearm and can easily draw it quicker than someone who doesn't even have his hand on his pistol.

But again this is the internet..to each his own.
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Everyone has ideas in their mind about what their likely deadly encounter will be and prepare mainly for that. I've mentioned before I've had 2 condition red situations in the past 3 years, neither required speed and open/concealed made no difference and both involved more than 1 opponent. My wife was with me both times and I was able to back us out of them. I learned that you can't predict when/where/how bad will come your way, having a weapon is rule number 1, and I was darn glad to not be carrying something with only 6 rounds. Never want to be there again but training paid off and I was satisfied with how I handled it.

No matter how you carry practice and train as much as you can.
 
I see a lot of open carry here in Arizona. The way I look at it, if a bad guy comes into a place to do harm, the first one he will target is someone he sees as a threat. Just my opinion. By the way, I CC.
 
Yeah, I’m not saying I’d never open-carry. I just don’t think it makes a lot of sense, especially in a public setting where there are a lot of people.

I don’t want any extra attention drawn to me by anyone. And I do think it’s taking an unnecessary risk.
 
If open carry was so much more "dangerous" or "risky", like several are suggesting here, we would see some evidence of it. And believe me, if there were any statistics that supported open carry invited more criminal bad behavior based on the gun being in plain view, the anti gun crowd and politicians would be all over it like stink on dog dung. They all watch this type of thing like hawks, hoping for something bad to happen, to help support their false narrative about guns in general.

But much like concealed carry, there is no evidence what so ever that an exposed firearm either invites wrong doing, or puts the individual who is carrying it at a disadvantage, or worse in danger by it's mere presence. This is one of those Internet B.S. stories that continues to gain traction based on opinion, not evidence. Much like the whole, "Racking the slide of a pump shotgun will scare off all the bad guys", nonsense. It sounds good when conversation is slow at the bar. I can understand a persons choice not to open carry. But then just say that. Don't go on about how you think it's putting an individual at a disadvantage by doing it. When there is absolutely zero evidence to support that conclusion.
 
Originally Posted By: billt460
If open carry was so much more "dangerous" or "risky", like several are suggesting here, we would see some evidence of it. And believe me, if there were any statistics that supported open carry invited more criminal bad behavior based on the gun being in plain view, the anti gun crowd and politicians would be all over it like stink on dog dung. They all watch this type of thing like hawks, hoping for something bad to happen, to help support their false narrative about guns in general


Trust me when I say I comb the news thoroughly for stories about someone open carrying being "shot first" and I haven't found one. I haven't found a story about it in the 5 years I've been actively looking(if it were as rampant as internet/gun shop lore would claim, I'd find a story a week) and I haven't found an historic example of it happening.

That's not to say it's never the case or has never happened, but it's just not there.

What are there are anecdote(take those for what they're worth) of robberies or other situations de-escalating because the would-be criminal sees a holstered gun and knows that they haven't picked a soft target.

Folks like Al want others to think that there's something else to open carrying

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Vanity, machoism, "its my right".


I think much could be said same could be said for concealed carry. Vanity of not wanting attention. I think there's a BIG element of maschoism in many CC folks who like to entertain fantasies of drawing their concealed weapon and "saving the day."

As I said earlier, I'd MUCH rather someone see a holstered gun and decide to not attempt a robbery or whatever than to draw a gun and have them run away.

Truthfully, I'm fine with folks carrying in whatever way is safe and legal(with the legal thing-there are times in my own state where CC is illegal but OC is not) and of course always doing so responsibly.

Villifying folks who choose to carry a different sets my blood boiling, however.

After all, if no one "needs" to open carry, does anyone really "need" to carry more than 6 rounds? Yes, I did go there, but that's what many anti-OC folks sound like with their complete ignorance of the subject.
 
Originally Posted By: bunnspecial

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Vanity, machoism, "its my right".


I think much could be said same could be said for concealed carry. Vanity of not wanting attention. I think there's a BIG element of maschoism in many CC folks who like to entertain fantasies of drawing their concealed weapon and "saving the day."

I agree 1000%
 
Originally Posted By: UberArchetype

And people who believe that about gun carriers are afflicted with the same mental defect Freud called "phallic envy."

Using "phallic" instead of the real word because the board doesn't allow it, despite being a normal scientific term for male genitalia.

Obviously since you have not been on this board very long you fail to realizew that I CC daily. Perhaps listen more and post less.
 
I live in Dallas and rarely see open carry, other than at gun stores and ranges. Most of the open carry I've seen has been out in the country or in small towns in Texas and Arizona. I suspect that most of those folks have no concerns whatsoever about mass shootings and being a target, but are just in town for lunch or to run an errand and can't be bothered to unholster. Some of them probably just want to show off fancy new 1911's, and "tactical" concerns don't factor in, LOL.

As someone observed a few pages back in this thread, the thinking and the motivation probably differs depending on where you are.
 
As a side note, I see people carrying concealed fairly frequently. Sometimes they are printing, sometimes it's the belt clips on their holster (or both).

I used to see a lot of Crossbreed belt clips, but they seem to be falling out of favor, LOL. Maybe it's the AIWB craze.

Sometimes concealed carry IS open carry if you are aware and know what to look for.
 
I don't open carry because I don't feel like drawing unnecessary attention to myself. Even though open carry is perfectly legal if you have a permit to carry, there have been plenty of cases of someone freaking out and calling 911 because "OMG there's a guy with a gun", prompting a large police response and sending places into lockdown. All this because they can't understand that someone walking around with a gun in a holster and minding their own business is not someone who you need to be worried about.

Then you have the places that put up "We ban guns on these premises" signs. If I'm carrying concealed I can simply ignore their stupid sign.
 
Originally Posted By: 2016Accord
I live in Dallas and rarely see open carry, other than at gun stores and ranges. Most of the open carry I've seen has been out in the country or in small towns in Texas and Arizona. I suspect that most of those folks have no concerns whatsoever about mass shootings and being a target, but are just in town for lunch or to run an errand and can't be bothered to unholster. Some of them probably just want to show off fancy new 1911's, and "tactical" concerns don't factor in, LOL.

As someone observed a few pages back in this thread, the thinking and the motivation probably differs depending on where you are.


Exactly. Location and situation definitely matter.
 
Originally Posted By: 2016Accord
As a side note, I see people carrying concealed fairly frequently. Sometimes they are printing, sometimes it's the belt clips on their holster (or both).

I used to see a lot of Crossbreed belt clips, but they seem to be falling out of favor, LOL. Maybe it's the AIWB craze.

Sometimes concealed carry IS open carry if you are aware and know what to look for.


True. You can notice a lot if you’re aware of your surroundings. OTOH you miss a lot of you’re looking at your phone all the time.

I carry concealed into a lot of places that have signs on the door saying “no firearms”. Sometimes I’m printing, but no one has ever noticed because they’re not consciously looking for a gun.
 
Originally Posted By: KD0AXS
I don't open carry because I don't feel like drawing unnecessary attention to myself. Even though open carry is perfectly legal if you have a permit to carry, there have been plenty of cases of someone freaking out and calling 911 because "OMG there's a guy with a gun", prompting a large police response and sending places into lockdown. All this because they can't understand that someone walking around with a gun in a holster and minding their own business is not someone who you need to be worried about.


Exactly, and I'd bet there are lots of people who don't even know an open carry law exists, and in today's world they'd be the type to all 911 to report "a guy with a gun". Last thing I'd want is a hoard of police cars come screaming in around me then hearing police shout to get my hands up and get on the ground.
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Exactly, and I'd bet there are lots of people who don't even know an open carry law exists, and in today's world they'd be the type to all 911 to report "a guy with a gun". Last thing I'd want is a hoard of police cars come screaming in around me then hearing police shout to get my hands up and get on the ground.


When the law changed here at the beginning of 2016 there was A LOT of chatter in the local press and on social media, with many people predicting that there would be shoot-outs everywhere and it would be the "wild west" (but without the scalpings and cattle drives ;-). I remember a bunch of folks on social media having hissy fits and pledging to call 911 anytime they saw someone open carrying, regardless of the law. As a result, the Dallas Police Dept. started a media and flyer campaign explaining the law and urging citizens NOT to overwhelm 911 operators with what would be in essence "protest" calls.

In the end, it seems like it was all a bunch of political hot air.
As this news report highlights, after the first week of open carry there had been ZERO calls to 911:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Police-Report-No-911-Calls-on-Open-Carry-364562091.html

But you are right. There are lots of people now who would freak out about such things, or who hold political beliefs that might cause them to act irresponsibly when they encounter legal open carry. When I first moved here in 1981, every truck had a gun rack in the back window, and every kid had a bb gun... Times have changed I suppose.
 
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Originally Posted By: 2016Accord
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Exactly, and I'd bet there are lots of people who don't even know an open carry law exists, and in today's world they'd be the type to all 911 to report "a guy with a gun". Last thing I'd want is a hoard of police cars come screaming in around me then hearing police shout to get my hands up and get on the ground.


When the law changed here at the beginning of 2016 there was A LOT of chatter in the local press and on social media, with many people predicting that there would be shoot-outs everywhere and it would be the "wild west" (but without the scalpings and cattle drives ;-). I remember a bunch of folks on social media having hissy fits and pledging to call 911 anytime they saw someone open carrying, regardless of the law. As a result, the Dallas Police Dept. started a media and flyer campaign explaining the law and urging citizens NOT to overwhelm 911 operators with what would be in essence "protest" calls.

In the end, it seems like it was all a bunch of political hot air.
As this news report highlights, after the first week of open carry there had been ZERO calls to 911:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-Police-Report-No-911-Calls-on-Open-Carry-364562091.html

But you are right. There are lots of people now who would freak out about such things, or who hold political beliefs that might cause them to act irresponsibly when they encounter legal open carry. When I first moved here in 1981, every truck had a gun rack in the back window, and every kid had a bb gun... Times have changed I suppose.


I remember them saying the same thing about AZ a few years ago when they went to Constitutional Carry.
 
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