IWB Vs OWB and CC vs Open

[Astro14]

There is, it's just situationally dependent.

I assure you there's no alaskan guide that will CC his personal defensive firearm. NO, it will be OCs in a chest rig or shoulder harness and typically on a pack immediately accessible.

Sure. And I OC in that scenario for speed, and convenience.

But in public, I CC, because while speed and convenience are an advantage of open carry, OC will also draw a great deal of unwanted attention when you’re amongst the general populace.

The negatives of that attention outweigh the advantages of speed.

 

[LDB]

Tactical advantage? What advantage is that? In what world is surprise a *defensive* tactic? Surprise is only an offensive tactic.

Ever wonder why cops on duty do not CC and gain the supposed "tactical advantage" it provides? Because it doesn't provide advantage. I assure you, with comparable training, nobody can draw from concealment as quickly or reliably as someone from open carry.


Moreover, the deterrent value of CC is zero. The deterrent value of OC is nonzero. Criminals aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, but they have life preservation instincts in most cases.

Police officers on duty tend to give it away via their uniform before their visible weapon factors in. Surprise is valid. You are entitled to your opinion. I may not choose the best wording to satisfy you, but I am correct.

 

[ATex7239]

Tactical advantage? What advantage is that? In what world is surprise a *defensive* tactic? Surprise is only an offensive tactic.

Only partially true. Being the “good guy” we don’t get the benefit of striking first (ie, offensively.) But that doesn’t mean surprise isn’t a tactic that can be used defensively.

Predators don’t want or expect their prey to fight back. That can be used as an advantage against them. Also being unnoticeable and unassuming has its advantages. Mainly not bringing unnecessary attention to yourself.

 

[Hohn]

Sure. And I OC in that scenario for speed, and convenience.

But in public, I CC, because while speed and convenience are an advantage of open carry, OC will also draw a great deal of unwanted attention when you’re amongst the general populace.

The negatives of that attention outweigh the advantages of speed.

It depends on the local populace. Indiana is now Constitutional carry. OCing brings at most an eyeroll from some, largely no reaction whatsoever.

 

[NOTEVIL81]

Sure. And I OC in that scenario for speed, and convenience.

But in public, I CC, because while speed and convenience are an advantage of open carry, OC will also draw a great deal of unwanted attention when you’re amongst the general populace.

The negatives of that attention outweigh the advantages of speed.

Excellent

 

[Cropduster172]

It depends on the local populace. Indiana is now Constitutional carry. OCing brings at most an eyeroll from some, largely no reaction whatsoever.

An "eyeroll" is exactly what open carry folks seek. It has nothing to do with actual self defense.

 

[burbguy82]

The negatives of that attention outweigh the advantages of speed.

Unless speed is what you need

But by in large I agree. In truth, one, with training can just as easily draw at near the same speed as with a proper active retention holster.

 

[burbguy82]

It depends on the local populace. Indiana is now Constitutional carry. OCing brings at most an eyeroll from some, largely no reaction whatsoever.

agreed, neither than from most of my surrounding areas

 

[burbguy82]

seek

? do you really think that to be the case with all who open carry.

There are those to whom dont want to go through the extra work of CC, as far as paperwork goes.

Really...... to have a CC puts the holder in a higher level of liability, as they have been taught the laws....interesting dynamic there

 

[Cropduster172]

? do you really think that to be the case with all who open carry.

There are those to whom dont want to go through the extra work of CC, as far as paperwork goes.

Really...... to have a CC puts the holder in a higher level of liability, as they have been taught the laws....interesting dynamic there

...NO...not all but unfortunately many.

 

[1lieutenant]

FN Reflex with Holosun red dot on Garrett Industries Silent Thunder leather lined Kydex with Ulti clip appendix carry. Shoulder injuries precludes any other location.
Kahr p380 in Uncle Mikes pocket holster for summer with no over shirt or jacket
My state forbids open carry but I would never do it.

 

[Pew]

Tactical advantage? What advantage is that? In what world is surprise a *defensive* tactic? Surprise is only an offensive tactic.

An ambush is one of the oldest forms of defensive combat against a superior force.

 

[John Galt]

Has anyone carried in a cross draw position? I’m a lefty and see an appeal to getting an IWB cross draw holster. Seems like it would be comfortable in a sitting position and fine for standing except printing might be a concern.

This for me would place the holster on my right side with the gun handle pointing at my left arm.

 

[Hohn]

Has anyone carried in a cross draw position? I’m a lefty and see an appeal to getting an IWB cross draw holster. Seems like it would be comfortable in a sitting position and fine for standing except printing might be a concern.

This for me would place the holster on my right side with the gun handle pointing at my left arm.

NO, but I'd definitely consider it. For some situations, it's nearly ideal.

For example, if you are a right handed driver and spend a lot of time driving, you'll find a cross draw from left side MUCH faster than trying to draw from right side in a car or truck.

 

[Cropduster172]

You don't speak for OCers and I reject your attempt to arrogate to yourself the right to do so. Apparently don't know any actual OCers. Yes, there are definitely Bubbas that "git muh gun." But there are plenty of tacticool Joes CCing that are printing so badly you can't really claim it's concealed.

I generally do not OC. But I'm not going to be terribly upset about printing. While I do not want to attract attention, I'm not willing to make my firearm impossible to effectively deploy to do so. That means my CC is going to be IWB and fairly obvious in some situations. I don't care. Printing to me (on purpose) is sort of the best of both worlds. It preserves the veneer of "not looking for attention" while making clear to anyone who notices that I'm armed but not initiating any monkey business.

Cops wear the guns in plain sight. Criminals tend to hide theirs. If you actually researched the history of firearms laws, you'd find that many times the plain visibility of the arm was evidence of no ill will, and the concealed arm was evidence of bad intentions. This presumption was codified in law. (Go read the actual text of the Supreme Court cases in Heller and McDonald and Bruen-- which you seem to have not read).

It is precisely because advertising you have a firearm surrenders the element of surprise that is so useful to OFFENSIVE encounters. This is why OCing says "I have no intention to initiate harm on you."

The utility of concealment is far greater to the criminal than to the person of goodwill. Which is why the CCer cannot be determined to be good guy or bad guy based just on their carry style. However, the OCer, advertising they are armed while obviously not conducting themselves in any offensive manner, is clearly showing they are NOT a bad guy. Bad guys do not advertise their arms.

I was a cop in NJ in the second large city for 10 years. Sworn, full time police officers in NJ are required to carry an off duty firearm. So I've likely forgotten more than you'll ever know about carrying open carry in uniform and concealed carry off duty.
But thanks for your entertaining bluster.

 

[burbguy82]

Has anyone carried in a cross draw position? I’m a lefty and see an appeal to getting an IWB cross draw holster. Seems like it would be comfortable in a sitting position and fine for standing except printing might be a concern.

This for me would place the holster on my right side with the gun handle pointing at my left arm.

the issue with cross draw, is the angle from which the holster holds the gun. but cross draw is cross draw, right or left. the more square the gun the better.......a glock would be one that is not square for instance....

one can find themselves reaching a bit far in their pants, if that makes sense

some lanky folks can do this easier, i am not lanky and therefore my vote is no crossdraw.

 

[mr_boring]

I've never cared if I printed or not. My state heavily frowned on it up until a couple of years ago (now we are open carry)

For the last 15 years I've carried a little single stack pocket rocket 9mm in a cheap pocket holster, as mentioned above sometimes I will butt carry it in the waistband when my pockets are fuller than usual.

I had a 1911 in a shoulder rig when I was younger. I loved that set up. Cool factor of +500 but I wore a jacket from October to May to cover it up. In the summer that one was IWB, and I tended to get lazy and not carry when it got really hot outside.

Side note, I'm really starting to want a new carry gun. Not need, want. What I'm lusting over weighs about 8oz more than what I currently carry, so I haven't jumped yet. I'm thinking about strapping a half lb of something to my pocket holster to see how much that would irritate me. Lust gun just looks cool.

EDIT - OWB full sized guns are not my jam. When we went open I carry I tried it out. Nothing like lugging around 2lbs of Beretta topped off with 18rds of 124g 9mm