OPEC at maximum production

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Crude oil is at $44+ per barrel.

Anyone else notice that the price at the pump hasn't spiked up yet? Usually the pump jumps up immediately when the price of crude goes up and lags by over a month when the price of crude goes down. Has there ever been a time in anyones recollection when the price at the pump didn't spike with the price of crude? Anytime other than the last week or two I mean. I wonder why the oil companies aren't gouging now?
 
The prices in Toronto are very low right now. Actually, they are all over the map. In the mornings the prices at all the stations near my house are in the 80-82 cent per liter range, but by the evening they all come down to 67-69! This has happened almost every single day for a month now! So anyone buying gas in the morning is a fool, they'll save tons of money by waiting.

When oil was at the last peak, it was 93 cents per liter here. So it's definitely wierd to see the prices go down so low when the oil is so much more.
 
Gas supplies growing

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"It's a bad report for products," said Kyle Cooper, analyst at Citigroup Global Markets. "We now are 8.3 million barrels above last year in terms of gasoline, and yet we are 50 percent higher in terms of price. I'd like someone to explain that to me."

Me too!
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Looks like $40+ a barrel is a fact of life and likely will go up from here. Needless to say this will probably cause a world economic slow down. That's gonna determine what happens next. I see 40 mpg cars the norm in the very near future. And I also see this issue as possibly pushing the President out of office. In many ways deserved. Needless to say Clinton would be operating in the same foggy haze as Bush but he had some $14/barrel oil in his watch.

Still interesting that this $45 barrel price has not translated into gas hikes yet. Whats up with that
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Originally posted by Al:
Looks like $40+ a barrel is a fact of life and likely will go up from here.

There is a $5 to $10 / barrel "war speculation" added to the price now. Most analysts calculate a "real" price of around $35 / barrel based on supply and demand. Probably we won't see oil go below $35 / barrel, which is about $1.75 / gallon gas at the pump.

It is absolutely true that the worlds economy is driven by oil prices. If we could learn from, gasp, France, and get some nuclear power plants built we could turn this around. Higher MPG vehicles will come naturally as folks notice how much money is getting dropped at the gas stations.
Then there are hybrids and diesels and fuel cells and other new stuff coming.

Circumstances change, and we adapt.

Keith.
 
From

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3777413.stm


At ASPO's recent conference in Berlin, companies such as BP and Exxon
and men such as Fatih Birol, chief economist of the International
Energy Agency, began to talk to the proponents of the peak oil
theory.

Whilst they may not agree with Dr Campbell's theories, their
attendance highlighted ASPO's emerging importance in the oil debate.

In public, Mr Birol denied that supply would not be able to meet
rising demand, especially from the buoyant economies in the USA, China
and India.

But after his speech he seemed to change his tune.

"For the time being there is no spare capacity. But we expect demand
to increase by the fourth quarter (of the year) by three million
barrels a day."

He pinned his hopes for an increase in production squarely on troubled
Saudi Arabia.

"If Saudi does not increase supply by 3 million barrels a day by the
end of the year we will face, how can I say this, it will be very
difficult. We will have difficult times. They must invest."

Can Saudi deliver?

But even Mr Birol admitted that Saudi production was "about flat".

Three million extra barrels a day would mean a huge 30% leap in output
in just a few months.

When BBC News Online followed up by asking if this giant increase in
production was actually possible rather than simply a desire he
refused to answer. "You are from the press? This is not for you. This
is not for the press."

Asking other delegates - admittedly supporters of the peak oil theory
- whether such a steep increase was feasible, the answers were
unambiguous: "absolutely out of the question," "completely
impossible," and "3 million barrels - never, not even 300,000."

One delegate laughed so hard he had to support himself on a table.

Some recent figures tend to back up ASPO's outlook.

North Sea production is declining at an increasing rate, having peaked
in 1999.

Not at the predicted flat rate of decline of 7%, but gradually
accelerating from 7% to 8.5% to 11%.
 
There are estimated to be 10.4 billion barrels of recoverable oil in the far Northern Coastal Plain of ANWR. ANWR can provide 1.4 million barrels/day:

ANWR production

I seem to recall many folks saying that the addition of oil from ANWR is "insignificant" [even though it is about the same as our total oil import from Saudi Arabia!]

I therefore calculate the OPEC 3 million barrel shortfall to be merely two times insignificant
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Keith.
 
One reason gasloine has not risen, even though Barrel cost has, is gas prices are set by futures forecast, which usually takes about 3-4 weeks to adjust. In other words, if gas is 45.00 now, we usually will not see the price jump for about 3-4 weeks, and afterwards, if barrel cost goes down, we won't see a reduction for that amount of time, either. Proof of this was evident right after 9/11, when gas prices went out of control the first week, there was no futures that could be calculated, so no one knew what the price would be, or if the unrest would effect supply/delivery. Most prices went up through gouging. But a week later, futures were predictable and the prices stabilised.
 
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Originally posted by Tim H.:
One reason gasloine has not risen, even though Barrel cost has, is gas prices are set by futures forecast, which usually takes about 3-4 weeks to adjust. In other words, if gas is 45.00 now, we usually will not see the price jump for about 3-4 weeks, and afterwards, if barrel cost goes down, we won't see a reduction for that amount of time, either. Proof of this was evident right after 9/11, when gas prices went out of control the first week, there was no futures that could be calculated, so no one knew what the price would be, or if the unrest would effect supply/delivery. Most prices went up through gouging. But a week later, futures were predictable and the prices stabilised.

I disagree. in the past when the futures price went up, the price at the pump also went up immediately. This was evidence of price gouging but this was how prices at the pump behaved for as long as I can remember. Prices tended to go up immediately and take weeks after crude went down for the pumps to reflect the difference.

After 911 is not a valid example as the increases were not related to futures pricing.. Show an example where large past futures contract increase weren't passed along immediately and large drops weren't passed along at the pumps until many weeks later.
 
It seems clear that the oil price spike is from demand meeting and outstripping supply, not from the Peak Oil issue (yet). Simple supply and demand. But I'll bet we see gasoline at $3 a gallon by 1 January 2005.

That said, I guess there's little need for me to shop for a new car in 2006 when I had planned. (I raised this question on another thread a few weeks ago; I was looking at something like a Mazda 3 five-door or a Ford Focus wagon.) If gas isn't being rationed, it'll still be too expensive to be able to afford or enjoy a new vehicle. Guess my '97 Escort really will be the last new car I buy, as I thought to myself then.
 
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Originally posted by ekrampitzjr:
It seems clear that the oil price spike is from demand meeting and outstripping supply, not from the Peak Oil issue (yet). Simple supply and demand.

I'll believe that when I see production exceed 2000's production peak.
 
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Saudis offer to hike oil output

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Making good on a pledge made in May, Saudi Arabia announced Wednesday it is prepared to increase oil output by up to 1.3 million barrels per day -- 14 percent -- to cope with world demand.

"We believe the price of crude oil at current levels is way too high and should come down to more reasonable levels," Adel al-Jubair, foreign affairs advisor to Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah, told journalists in a telephone conference call.

He called it "pure fiction" to claim that the increase was due to a private deal with the White House -- timed to get the price of crude oil down in time for the November election -- as journalist Bob Woodward wrote in a recent book.

In addition, al-Jubair said the Saudi government is prepared to keep oil production at this level "indefinitely."

At the same time, he noted that the Saudis are not seeing a noticeable up tick in demand despite the steady increase in oil prices around the world. Factors affecting the rising prices include concerns about Iraq, coming elections in Venezuela and the controversy surrounding Yukos oil in Russia, he said.

For the last several months Saudi Arabia, which has the world's largest petroleum reserves, has been producing more than 9.3 million barrels a day, an increase from previous production levels of 8.5 million barrels a day, the Saudis said.

Al-Jubair said the Saudis had informed all of their customers within the last week of the kingdom's intention to make additional crude oil available to the international market.

In May the Saudis made clear they were prepared to increase oil production beyond the Saudi OPEC responsibilities, if necessary.

Washington Post reporter Woodward, whose "Plan of Attack" was released earlier this year, wrote that Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, promised President Bush that the Saudis would cut oil prices before November to ensure a strengthening U.S. economy.

Sultan and the Bush administration denied the allegation at the time, as al-Jubair did Wednesday.

High oil prices, he said, are not good for the bottom line for oil producing nations because they lead to economic slowdowns and a decrease in demand.

And, he added, that would be the Saudi policy "regardless of who is in the White House."

The cost of oil, recently at $45 per barrel, has dipped below $44.

source: http://www.cnn.com/2004/BUSINESS/08/11/saudi.oil.price/index.html
 
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Originally posted by wulimaster:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3529976.stm

Crude oil is at $44+ per barrel.

Anyone else notice that the price at the pump hasn't spiked up yet? Usually the pump jumps up immediately when the price of crude goes up and lags by over a month when the price of crude goes down.


It looks like the oil companies have been increasing diesel prices in areas of the US that previously have had lower diesel prices. This would account for how they are able to lower gasoline prices at the pump. They are making up for it in diesel increases. Once the prices are pretty much level across the US, prices for both gas and diesel will probably rise at the same rate. My guess is the amount and ratio has been pre-factored into a fixed future price, maybe as high as $50/barrel. I expect pump prices to level off and stay level until the magic price per barrel is reached. You will know this magic price by how quickly the price at the pump reacts to the price of crude. Example: the futures price jumps 10% during a week and the price at the pump makes a jump during the following weekend by an amount equal to the price increase per gallon of crude plus a small gouge of extra profit.

http://www.opisnet.com/
 
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Originally posted by keith:
There are estimated to be 10.4 billion barrels of recoverable oil in the far Northern Coastal Plain of ANWR. ANWR can provide 1.4 million barrels/day:

Very insignificantcompared to our 18.5 millions of barrels/day. and well under 1% of world reserves. We would gust gobble it up and then look around for more.

In 20 years when I'm sitting in a nursing home one of my last chuckles will be to hear about Rush Limbau being transportated from place to place on a rick'sha instead of his SUV
 
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Originally posted by Al:
Very insignificantcompared to our 18.5 millions of barrels/day.

Uh? 1.4/18.5 = 7.5%. Almost the same as our TOTAL import from Saudi Arabia, our LARGEST source of oil.

We must have different understandings of what is "insignificant". 7.5% is a very healthy slice.

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Keith.
 
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Originally posted by wulimaster:
Originally posted by wulimaster:
[qb] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3529976.stm
Once the prices are pretty much level across the US, prices for both gas and diesel will probably rise at the same rate. My guess is the amount and ratio has been pre-factored into a fixed future price, maybe as high as $50/barrel. I expect pump prices to level off and stay level until the magic price per barrel is reached. You will know this magic price by how quickly the price at the pump reacts to the price of crude.
Coming up on $50 a barrel. Where it stops nobody knows.


http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/st.../20040819/1021968545.htm&sc=1333&flok=NW_5-L6
 
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Originally posted by wulimaster:

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Originally posted by wulimaster:
Originally posted by wulimaster:
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Coming up on $50 a barrel. Where it stops nobody knows.


http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/st.../20040819/1021968545.htm&sc=1333&flok=NW_5-L6
It'll stop when we as Americans begin to understand that 5% of the worlds population can't continue to gobble up 30% of the worlds energy. And by any account we waste 1/3 of that.
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The really sad part is that Americans will continue to buy gasoline at the same rate and stop purchasing other things =Enonomy will Tank=President Bush is History.
 
We, as americans are the world's police, medicine creator for the world, and create technology that lets everyone be better off.

We should get more than 30% of the oil since we have drug the rest of the world screaming into an age where more people live better than ever before.

Dan
 
That oil they discovered in Alaska some time back that the liberals would not let us drill into would have come in handy right about now.
 
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Originally posted by Dan4510:
We, as americans are the world's police, medicine creator for the world, and create technology that lets everyone be better off.

We should get more than 30% of the oil since we have drug the rest of the world screaming into an age where more people live better than ever before.

Dan


Bwahahahahahahaha.

That's the best one I've heard in ages.
 
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