oils in my 7.3 powerstroke

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i searched through this thread looking for any and all info on oil recommended for the powerstrokes, however i still have some questions. basically I've found that the 5w40 rotella I've been using is not the right choice for me in the summer, and the main suggestion on this website for winter oil of an HD 10w30 will simply not do in climates of -40c. a 0w40 is what i need to meet my cold start demands. i did not find many posts here from users with powerstrokes and their experiences with 0w40. So that is my question to all of you. what kinds of 0w40's have good reviews and posess the right add package for the powerstrokes?

I would also like to know if anyone has dealt with or used Boss oils. We stock it here in our shop but i know little about it.
 
I see no reason not to use the Rotella 5w-40...but that doesn't answer your question.

John Deere offers a very good 0w-40 for diesels. I think Esso does also, or at least they did.

Have you considered an oil pan heater?
 
Chevron Delo is a top rated oil. Delo 400 Synthetic SAE 0w30 may be best for your winter use. Of course the Motorcraft® SAE 0w30 Super All Season Synthetic Motor Oil is specifically formulated for the Powerstrokes. HTH
 
The problem with rottela T6 is I am noticing a foaming problem when I check my dipstick Long b4 my OCI is up. This oil is supposed to have the appropriate anti foam agents that are obviously not working. I read a lot of post from other members stating that their UOA's show higher wear when using the T6 product. Keep in mind the HPOP system has special needs compared to other Diesel engines. I did use the rottela 0w40 last winter an did not experience the foaming issue.
 
The HEUI injectors are hard on the oil. The Motorcraft oil takes this into account. It is made by Conoco Philips.
 
The cold-flow properties of 10w30 & 5w-40 are almost identical, so trying to decide between the two is somewhat of a mute point. Dollar wise a 10w30 should be about half of the price.

There should be several 0w30 HDEO's available in your region.

As mentioned above Deere does make a 0w-40 designed for arctic use that has a pour-point of -51f.

I use the Deere 10w30 year around, but I don't experience anywhere near the frigid temps you do.
 
Originally Posted By: roadrunner1
The cold-flow properties of 10w30 & 5w-40 are almost identical, so trying to decide between the two is somewhat of a mute point. Dollar wise a 10w30 should be about half of the price.

There should be several 0w30 HDEO's available in your region.

As mentioned above Deere does make a 0w-40 designed for arctic use that has a pour-point of -51f.

I use the Deere 10w30 year around, but I don't experience anywhere near the
frigid temps you do.




The problem is not with the difference between the two, I already know 0w40 is the weight of oil I must run in the winter. The 5w40 gets too thick after about -15c and produces hard starts. 0w40 is good right down to -40c. I had stated that the problems I had with the 5w40 were excess foaming. So I am obviously not in a weight debate.
 
It is my understanding that there will be a new product for the cold north areas: T6 in 0w-40, which will be used to phase out the 0w30 T5, if I understand the info correctly.

The Deere products are also excellent.

Do you have any evidence (other than a simple observation of the dipstick) that would confer actual proof that your current choice is not doing it's job, and that your new choice would do so? What UOA evidence do you have that things are not as you wish them to be?
 
Originally Posted By: Derpid64
I would also like to know if anyone has dealt with or used Boss oils. We stock it here in our shop but i know little about it.


Boss isn't a big name, but they do have the appropriate API certifications and are competitively priced (as you are doubtless aware). There are plenty of other options. The Rotella stuff is readily available at CT or Partsource, of course.

Others have mentioned Delo, but that's a little harder to find competitively priced. Husky/Mohawk truck stops will have it, and Husky/Mohawk is the official distributor in western Canada. The best price I've come across for Delo, however, is from Maxim Truck & Trailer, which has locations in Regina, Saskatoon, and PA.

I've used Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 in the winters here, albeit in a gasser, with good results. They do make a 0w-40 as well. You'll have to go to the distributor for either of those. There is also Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0w30 which may do the trick for you. Petro-Canada also has a wide variety of HDEOs, including a 0w-40 and 5w-40. Coops would also offer several options.
 
Originally Posted By: ottomatic
heres what chevy owners are doing

http://www.dieselplace.com/forum/showthread.php?t=464093

in your neck of the woods


Reminds me of the "Hot Box" heaters that I used to see on bulldozers from Canada...they had a small oil burner and circulated coolant through the diesel...if you could crank the engine, it would start.

Derpid64, can you put an oil pan heater on your truck? It is amazing how much of a difference that makes.
 
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
It is my understanding that there will be a new product for the cold north areas: T6 in 0w-40, which will be used to phase out the 0w30 T5, if I understand the info correctly.

The Deere products are also excellent.

Do you have any evidence (other than a simple observation of the dipstick) that would confer actual proof that your current choice is not doing it's job, and that your new choice would do so? What UOA evidence do you have that things are not as you wish them to be?


I do not have anything more than my simple dipstick analysis, but the way I see it foaming is a foaming problem. I don't know what is the cause just yet. I plan to snag a UOA when I drop my oil this interval and see what the story is. I did use 0w40 T6 last year and did not have any issues other than excess consumption when the mercury would get closer to 0.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Derpid64
I would also like to know if anyone has dealt with or used Boss oils. We stock it here in our shop but i know little about it.


Boss isn't a big name, but they do have the appropriate API certifications and are competitively priced (as you are doubtless aware). There are plenty of other options. The Rotella stuff is readily available at CT or Partsource, of course.

Others have mentioned Delo, but that's a little harder to find competitively priced. Husky/Mohawk truck stops will have it, and Husky/Mohawk is the official distributor in western Canada. The best price I've come across for Delo, however, is from Maxim Truck & Trailer, which has locations in Regina, Saskatoon, and PA.

I've used Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 in the winters here, albeit in a gasser, with good results. They do make a 0w-40 as well. You'll have to go to the distributor for either of those. There is also Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0w30 which may do the trick for you. Petro-Canada also has a wide variety of HDEOs, including a 0w-40 and 5w-40. Coops would also offer several options.


I had a chance to talk to our head mechanic about the UOA's on the boss lube, his words were its not the greatest but it gets the job done. FYI the UOA's were from our fleet of western stars with cat/ Detroit engines using 300hr OCI's in case anyone was curious.
 
Originally Posted By: Derpid64
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: Derpid64
I would also like to know if anyone has dealt with or used Boss oils. We stock it here in our shop but i know little about it.


Boss isn't a big name, but they do have the appropriate API certifications and are competitively priced (as you are doubtless aware). There are plenty of other options. The Rotella stuff is readily available at CT or Partsource, of course.

Others have mentioned Delo, but that's a little harder to find competitively priced. Husky/Mohawk truck stops will have it, and Husky/Mohawk is the official distributor in western Canada. The best price I've come across for Delo, however, is from Maxim Truck & Trailer, which has locations in Regina, Saskatoon, and PA.

I've used Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5w-40 in the winters here, albeit in a gasser,
with good results. They do make a 0w-40 as well. You'll have to go to the distributor for either of those. There is also Mobil Delvac Elite 222 0w30 which may do the trick for you. Petro-Canada also has a wide variety of HDEOs, including a 0w-40 and 5w-40. Coops would also offer several options.


I had a chance to talk to our head mechanic about the UOA's on the boss lube, his words were its not the greatest but it gets the job done. FYI the UOA's
were from our fleet of western stars with cat/ Detroit engines using 300hr OCI's in case anyone was curious.

If an oil is API certified it's as good as any other oil carrying the same certification. The comment about boss lubes from the mechanic is interesting. I assume he has seen multiple uoa from the same engine,otherwise he doesn't have enough info to state it's not the greatest.
1 uoa isn't enough to judge a lube. Too many variables such as operating conditions,wash out from the previous lube,a dirty air filter etc.
I suggest running the oil and at 5000kms have a uoa done including the tbn and don't drain the sump. See what the lab has to say,then adjust your maintenance schedule accordingly.
It's really very hard to judge an oil without at least a few uoa. Once you collect some data you can make a more informed choice.
It could be that the oil has had it by 5000 miles but if the cost is low enough it may be cost effective to do shorter runs with it.
Once you've got data on this oil you can decide if perhaps a more expensive oil that can sustain longer drain intervals may be more cost effective.
I'm in Saskatchewan. We have Co-op stores. They have their own brand of lubricants. They have a heavy duty diesel rated engine oil that comes in a 0w-40 flavour that is advertised as a pure pao group 4 synthetic. It's not very expensive and is easy to aquire here.
 
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