OIL TIME INSTALLED IMPORTANT (& OLM INFO)

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Here is a post from an EX-GM Engineer who worked on the C5 Corvette:

we did almost two years of studies on the oil system and the oil life monitor system... we nailed it down to very spacific advice... we know for a fact that mileage has very little to do with oil life... you can take two cars and drive each 5,000 miles, one car drives in 6th gear or in high and the motors sees 1500 rpms for 90 % of the time.. the other car is driven around town rarely getting out of first or second gear... this car sees an average of 3000 rpm for 90 % of the time... the lubrication system sees twice the load in the car that averages 3000 rpm. but the OLM system take many other factors, let say the car that does an average of 3000 rpms aso sees many short trips, and cold starts this also effect the oil integrity...anyone who things using mileage as a means to change oil is living in the 60's. when people didnt know any better... we designed this OLM system to make oil changes idiot proof and to benifit the eco system.. also we know for a fact that once oil is run through an interal combustion engine it sets in motion a catalist that cause the oil, be it perto based or synthetic , to turn acidic.. this is why we say to change the oil when the oil life monitor says too or once a year.. the algorithims take away from the base line , like demerits...when we originally built the algorithims we made the base line 10,000 miles, things like cold starts engine rmps times etc all take a % off this 10,000 miles... after three years of field debugging we found that changing the base line to 15,000 was still within a ten & safety factor.. so you can take your oil life monitor down to 0% and still be within oil life. I advise people who pm me about this to get to 10% and start to think about changing their oil dont go past 0 % for more than a day or so..you want to do it within the week your car gets to zero.. and you do not want to leave the same oil in your car for more than a year.. we checked PH values and found that PH was high enough in 13 months to start acid etching, and gasket degregation..WE did thousand of hours of testing and yet some guys says her thinks its ok to go two years with the same oil... I can guarantee you that an engine with oil like this in it will never see 300,000 mile like all of our test mules.... and we are not talking lab mules we are talking car that are actually driven under all types of loads... Do yourself a big favor , take advantage of the hundreds of thousands of dollars used to develop this system.. its one of the best in the world...
I must make this speach one a year, every years when all these people think this is their grandfathers 55 Buick and say thats what my grandfather did BTW a 55 Buick was at the end of its days around 60,000 miles.. Believe me the technology is light years aways from a 55 Buick

See the bold, "and you do not want to leave the same oil in your car for more than a year.. we checked PH values and found that PH was high enough in 13 months to start acid etching, and gasket degregation."

My question is, with synthetic oil can't you run over one year? I have and my UOA was okay. Isn't TBN a measure of the oil's ability to nuetralize acid?
 
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Seems more like a rant from someone who actually works at a GM dealership than anything to me. The assumption that someone isn't using Mobil1 0w-40, Redline or Amsoil or some other HQ oil is pretty lame here, but that may have been out of context when you transcribed it here.

If your UOA is okay but you are still worried, fire up another UOA with a TAN reading. Btw, even with conventional and the right conditions you can use oil for longer than one year. Many on this board do 15 - 24 months on this board and they have posted UOAs.
 
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
and you do not want to leave the same oil in your car for more than a year.. we checked PH values and found that PH was high enough in 13 months to start acid etching, and gasket degregation..

My last sample on the Jetta had 14 months on it. TBN and TAN figures don't seem to agree with this person's opinion.

By the way, 'degregation'? Are you sure he's an engineer?
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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
and you do not want to leave the same oil in your car for more than a year.. we checked PH values and found that PH was high enough in 13 months to start acid etching, and gasket degregation..

My last sample on the Jetta had 14 months on it. TBN and TAN figures don't seem to agree with this person's opinion.

By the way, 'degregation'? Are you sure he's an engineer?
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Well, a lot of engineers I know (including me) can't spell so . . .
 
Of course there are many intangibles, but even Mobil EP and Castrol Edge, two of the best oils and ones that explicitly state that they can go 15,000 miles also state to not extend it beyond a year. Obviously there will be cases where one can go a couple of months beyond that, but for the majority no. I personally wouldn't go beyond what most oil comapnies recommend.
 
Changing oil once every two years is becoming relatively common in Europe these days. Whether that's dictated by the tree huggers or by the fact that modern oils can in fact be used this long... nobody really knows I suppose.

I typically don't keep oil in the engine more than a year, although from all I've seen it could last more.
 
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner


Well, a lot of engineers I know (including me) can't spell so . . .



+1000

Judging someones intelligence by how well or poorly they spell is often akin to judging your Doctor by the quality and clarity of his/her handwriting.....meaningless at best.
 
I agree with the statement that mileage has very little to do with oil life. Also, the GM OLM is very well regarded. It's often recommended not to exceed one year, but it's not absolute.

For people who don't perform UOAs every OCI (that includes me), I think it's advisable to perform a single UOA under typical conditions for their OCI, engine, climate, and driving style. For a shorter OCI, this usually means during the winter time. For a one-year OCI, it could start on any desired month, but hopefully with some intermediate UOAs at 6 and 9 months.
 
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner
Here is a post from an EX-GM Engineer who worked on the C5 Corvette:

we spacific (SPECIFIC)
take many other factors ???
let say aso (ALSO)things
benifit (BENEFIT)
interal (INTERNAL)
catalist (CATALYST)
cause perto (PETRO)
degregation.(DEGRADATION)
her thinks its ok ?????????????
300,000 mile (MILES?) like all of our test mules....
speach (SPEECH)
one a year, (ONCE A YEAR?)
every years aways from a 55 Buick ??????????
degregation.
nuetralize (NEUTRALIZE) acid?


Unbelievable!

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Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner


Well, a lot of engineers I know (including me) can't spell so . . .



+1000

Judging someones intelligence by how well or poorly they spell is often akin to judging your Doctor by the quality and clarity of his/her handwriting.....meaningless at best.



Ever heard of SPELLCHECK?
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Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner


Well, a lot of engineers I know (including me) can't spell so . . .



+1000

Judging someones intelligence by how well or poorly they spell is often akin to judging your Doctor by the quality and clarity of his/her handwriting.....meaningless at best.



Ever heard of SPELLCHECK?
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Know...wat is that.....I dont no.......
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Here is a post from an EX-GM Engineer who worked on the C5 Corvette:

we spacific (SPECIFIC)
take many other factors ???
let say aso (ALSO)things
benifit (BENEFIT)
interal (INTERNAL)
catalist (CATALYST)
cause perto (PETRO)
degregation.(DEGRADATION)
her thinks its ok ?????????????
300,000 mile (MILES?) like all of our test mules....
speach (SPEECH)
one a year, (ONCE A YEAR?)
every years aways from a 55 Buick ??????????
degregation.
nuetralize (NEUTRALIZE) acid?
 
Did you post that twice for the benefit of us pore spelers?

Maybe the guy is dislexic and a yet a mechanical genious. Get over your own problems with other peoples poor spelling.
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner


Well, a lot of engineers I know (including me) can't spell so . . .

+1000
Judging someones intelligence by how well or poorly they spell is often akin to judging your Doctor by the quality and clarity of his/her handwriting.....meaningless at best.
His intelligence was not in question but when it comes to professional engineering I totally disagree about the importance of spelling - attention to detail is critical to being a good engineer and excellent spelling is just part of that.
 
Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: Corvette Owner


Well, a lot of engineers I know (including me) can't spell so . . .

+1000
Judging someones intelligence by how well or poorly they spell is often akin to judging your Doctor by the quality and clarity of his/her handwriting.....meaningless at best.
His intelligence was not in question but when it comes to professional engineering I totally disagree about the importance of spelling - attention to detail is critical to being a good engineer and excellent spelling is just part of that.


Agreed, but depending on context.

Even me, an admitted terrible speller never let a professional paper or review go out without running spell check. It's embarassing to have bad spelling with your name attached to it in a professional paper or report.

But this is the internet, I understand some want to apply the rules of proper English here as well, but I disagree. To them I say "Lighten up Francis".

If the mans intelligence ISN'T being called into question, then what do you suppose the implication was meant to be? Of course they are calling his intelligence into question, by pointing out his misspelling. IMO, one and the other are not related.

....Sorry for the OT rant.
 
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Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS

Maybe the guy is dislexic and a yet a mechanical genious. Get over your own problems with other peoples poor spelling.


You mean a "dyslexic" "genius"? Perhaps. However, I perceive a glaring, and I mean GLARING lack of attention to even the most basic literary principles. Wholly unacceptable if the guy is indeed an engineer. You cannot possibly overlook wanton, reckless mistakes in a written commentary on a mechanical issue! All credibility is GONE!
 
Originally Posted By: Kiwi_ME

I totally disagree about the importance of spelling - attention to detail is critical to being a good engineer and excellent spelling is just part of that.


I tend to agree, but I've known too many engineers who were most assuredly NOT stupid who you'd think were idiots if you read only their internet posts and emails. One in particular was FOND OF USING CAPS ALL THE TIME WHICH GETS REAllY FRIGGIN ANNOYING AFTER A WHILE.

To be fair, there's plenty of evidence that good engineers actually are capable of crafting a well written, correctly spelled post in a forum, but I've had to revise my spelNatsi wayz after being exposed to some of these guys.
 
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