Oil spill in the Gulf

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Well, you've got some contradictions there. If cap and trade is going through, and corporations do whatever they want since they buy off government...

Then big business WANTS cap and trade.

Why would they do that if it's a bad thing? Now I know Tvlr's take will just morph anything out that ends up in a commie plot ..but most arguments revolve around restrictions on business ..when business does whatever it wants anyway.

It's a "warped" circular argument.
 
I suggest you look up the word Fascism, Gary. When your done doing that do some reading on how Hitler and Stalin came to power. I'll give you a hint on how they did it. Just watch what is happening in THIS country right now. It's an instant replay. They have just refined their tactics.

Big business DOES want Cap and Trade. Look at the lengths they are going to to get it. The other thing is, not ALL big business wants it. Just a few select international corporations. That way they put all the smaller ones out of business and they get ALL the market share.

You are quite blind to what is happening in your own country. But that's OK. Just keep the feel good session going by reading your Greenpeace newsletters and watching MSNBC. You'll figure out what's going on when it's too late. Maybe not even then.

To this day there are those that think Stalin was a great guy. That's why they have a statue of him in Seattle, WA and another was just erected in another city somewhere. I forget which one though but it probably wouldn't take me many guesses to get it right.
 
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Now I know Tvlr's take will just morph anything out that ends up in a commie plot


Thank you, Tvlr500!!

Who's responsible for your flat tire? Dry well? Ignition miss?
 
I heard that this was no ordinary deep water well. It is said that BP was trying to try what the Russians have been doing, on land, and that is drilling extremely deep into the earth; several miles. The very deep oil reserves are under tremendous pressures, far exceeding standard drilling depths and pressures. This was an experiment on BP's part; and a wreckless one at that. Theyre not going to stop 30-40,000psi anytime soon and apparently that's what makes this absolute tragedy unstoppable. Of course this could simply be (exploited as) a problem-reaction-solution drama to usher in possible drilling restrictions ( of the extreme variety, ones that people would normally oppose if not for the disaster), federalization and/or even carbon tax issues as mentioned. The reported numbers are always going to be a fraction of actual numbers. Within weeks of the fire, theyve already injected "3/4's of the world's surfactant chemicals", which just makes the crude heavy and hides it underwater. The modestly reported plumes of oil measured by independent parties just confirms this. Sach'sy boy apparently dumped all BP stocks days before the disaster which really doesnt sit well with me. They also bought some Boots and Coots company (specializing in rig fires) shortly before as well, which- yea you guessed it, doesnt sit well with me either.


Stuff is just too fishy for me to take at face value.

There were two acronyms used by some political guy: MIHOP and LIHOP.

Make it happen on purpose, and Let it happen on purpose. Regardless it must happen for there to be any beneficiaries.
 
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
To this day there are those that think Stalin was a great guy. That's why they have a statue of him in Seattle...

Tried to look that up. Couldn't find Stalin in Seattle, but they do have a statue of Lenin .

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Originally Posted By: LTVibe
TWO obvious conclusions from both sides of the issue:

1. BP's greed and carelessness caused the disaster.

2. The incompetence and carelessness of the Feds (and B.O.) made the disaster worse.

More of that "incompetence and carelessness":

Bureaucracy Frustrates U.S. Gulf Oil Spill Efforts

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Sixty-one days after the BP Plc well began spewing crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico, angry local officials blame dozens of federal agencies involved in approving response plans, a maze of regulations and poor coordination for their struggles beating back the slick.

"My experience has been frustration, too much red tape, no a sense of urgency. For the state and the coastal parishes that are directly affected to put forth a plan, you have to kick and scream every step of the way to get it approved," said John Young, council chairman for Jefferson Parish in Louisiana.
 
Read on Bloomberg (I'm sure you can spin it into a liberal media no matter how unconvincing it is) a week ago that Exxon abandoned a similar well drilling project because of the instability of pressure at such depth. BP went ahead because they want $, lived close to the edge and fell off.

Why under the free will of capitalism is Exxon abandon such a cash cow?

I'm sure the greenie and the government has something to do with this, oh, and cap and trade too.
 
Originally Posted By: LTVibe
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
To this day there are those that think Stalin was a great guy. That's why they have a statue of him in Seattle...

Tried to look that up. Couldn't find Stalin in Seattle, but they do have a statue of Lenin .

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You can find a statue of anyone on earth if you look hard enough.
 
Originally Posted By: ItsuMitsubishi
. Sach'sy boy apparently dumped all BP stocks days before the disaster which really doesnt sit well with me. They also bought some Boots and Coots company (specializing in rig fires) shortly before as well, which- yea you guessed it, doesnt sit well with me either.ch just makes the crude heavy and hides it underwater. The modestly reported plumes of oil


Stuff is just too fishy for me to take at face value.

There were two acronyms used by some political guy: MIHOP and LIHOP.

Make it happen on purpose, and Let it happen on purpose. Regardless it must happen for there to be any beneficiaries.


So many things like remember that just BEFORE 9/11 that some group" had shorted on the airline stocks ...American to be exact...and the corporate media said that the identity of those folks would be revealed shortly..To this day I have never seen a report on who those short sales were initiated by..I wonder WHY?

You "get it" Itsu....

I don't believe in such coincidences at all.

I think FDR let it slip that NOTHING in politics happens by accident...just as well Eisenhower warned us to BEWARE the military industrial complex...We were told and the people quickly forgot.
 
Oh, I'm all for conspiracy theories. Absolutely. What's funny is how some actively participate in them as individuals if it bolsters their position at the moment (in silence), then heckle from the cheap seats of comfort after they've gotten their cut in the scam.

We've always been taken to the cleaners.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Why under the free will of capitalism is Exxon abandon such a cash cow?


More importantly, with the Government and Greenies holding a gun to their heads, and FORCING them to drill there, and to do it unsafely, how could they step away ?
 
Nobody is forcing them. HOWEVER, the Greenies and the Government have incentivized them to drill there. They are getting EXACTLY what they wanted from the oil companies.

Laid this out in a different post. I guess you missed that...
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Read on Bloomberg (I'm sure you can spin it into a liberal media no matter how unconvincing it is) a week ago that Exxon abandoned a similar well drilling project because of the instability of pressure at such depth. BP went ahead because they want $, lived close to the edge and fell off.

Why under the free will of capitalism is Exxon abandon such a cash cow?

I'm sure the greenie and the government has something to do with this, oh, and cap and trade too.


Uh...you said in your own post they abandoned it because it was unsafe. Maybe they were trying to avoid an oil spill like this???
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Then big business WANTS cap and trade.

Enron was all for Cap and Trade.

http://cei.org/gencon/019,02898.cfm] http://cei.org/gencon/019,02898.cfm

As does BP:
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“I profoundly believe that a cap-and-trade mechanism is the only way we will solve the emissions issue,” Hayward said today in a speech at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington.

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article209369.ece

They want to be part of the $10 Trillion a year carbon trading program that would arise from it's implementation.
 
Originally Posted By: LTVibe
Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
To this day there are those that think Stalin was a great guy. That's why they have a statue of him in Seattle...

Tried to look that up. Couldn't find Stalin in Seattle, but they do have a statue of Lenin .

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You're correct. My mistake. It is Lenin. The new one is either Stalin or Lenin. I believe it is somewhere in Virginia.

Trotsky was first. He was like many in America today living in the childish dreamworld of Marxism where the government can solve everyone's problems and deliver their childish utopia.

Then their was Lenin and they eventually killed Trotsky. Lenin was one step worse. Then came Stalin who TIME magazine named "man of the year" TWICE!
 
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Read on Bloomberg (I'm sure you can spin it into a liberal media no matter how unconvincing it is) a week ago that Exxon abandoned a similar well drilling project because of the instability of pressure at such depth. BP went ahead because they want $, lived close to the edge and fell off.

Why under the free will of capitalism is Exxon abandon such a cash cow?

I'm sure the greenie and the government has something to do with this, oh, and cap and trade too.


Uh...you said in your own post they abandoned it because it was unsafe. Maybe they were trying to avoid an oil spill like this???
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You argue that BP cannot have avoided this spill because of Govt and Greenies which you hold ultimately responsible...how come Exxon could see it and had the free will not to continue ?

Or are you now saying that BP made the decision where and how to drill, and how to manage safety ?
 
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