Oil spill in the Gulf

[Trvlr500]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Anyway, as usual, you intentionally missed the point.

If greenies are to blame for this mess, by forcing people to drill out this far, the blame must obviously expand to those who are paying them to drill out there (oil consumers).

I don't blame the greenies, and I certainly don't blame car drivers.

I blame BP.


BP is to blame alright but the eco-terrorists and the government they are in business with are even more to blame. Especially when we look at the way it was allowed to spread because they had to do "an environmental impact study" before they could start building the berms to prevent it from hitting the shore.

BP has a vested interest in passing a climate bill and so do those that intentionally blocked progress in containing this spill. Now we find out that the dispersants they are using could cause a dead zone for years to come. They are making the problem worse day by day.

I just can't imagine why. I guess it's "tin foil hat" time.

 

[Shannow]

the most lucid argument that I've heard regarding Govt being responsible is that BP believed that their liability was capped at $75M, and adopted a risk profile that reflected the possibility of a $75M wrist slap if they messed up.

However, they are the ones that chose the risk profile that they adopted, and exposed themselves to the direct damages of infringing on other people's welfare, wellbeing, industry, etc.

In other words, they are responsible for the outcome, HAVING MADE DECISIONS of their own.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
BP is to blame alright but the eco-terrorists and the government they are in business with are even more to blame.


How ?

Who was running the operation ?

Where are all the Govt and Greenies employees among the direct decision making process of BP on THIS well ?

Why haven't all these Govt and Green saboteurs made every other well (that you asure us they are responsible for) leak as well ?

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Especially when we look at the way it was allowed to spread because they had to do "an environmental impact study" before they could start building the berms to prevent it from hitting the shore.


Just getting in and digging stuff up isn't always the best course of action.

Of course, BP, who would "have this leak fixed in a Jiffy", and consistently downplayed the volume and the impact have adversely affected the realisation of the seriousness of the issue.

Besides, knee jerk reactions rarely result in the best outcomes.

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Now we find out that the dispersants they are using could cause a dead zone for years to come. They are making the problem worse day by day.


Prolly seemed like a good idea at the time to use the stuff (see previous point - you want knee jerk reaction to berms, but are upset about knee jerk reactions on dispersents).

BTW, when I was in the States, I saw every morning and every evening, the Govt and EPA demanding that BP stop using THAT dispersent.

BP ignored them.

Guess it's the Govt and Greenies at work again ?

 

[VNTS]

Yuppers

That is why they call it cap and tax. even the Europeans are starting to see the light with Greece going bankrupt, they are now pulling back on all these taxpayer/goverment funded green projects because they realize it only raises the cost of energy and is bankrupting their goverments, ie if these are such profitable adventures, why isnt the private sector funding them???

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Originally Posted By: Vizzy
CO2 is indeed removed from the atmosphere by plants and the plants produce oxygen in return.

The more green plant life the more oxygen is created.

A little known fact. The CO2 levels were much higher a few centuries ago. This level has been fluctuating for eons before man appeared on the scene.

This whole CO2 "problem" is nothing more than a way for the IMF and other globalists to impose a global tax. Nothing more than an extension of the New World Order's continuing power grab.


Precisely.

 

[LTVibe]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
BTW, when I was in the States, I saw every morning and every evening, the Govt and EPA demanding that BP stop using THAT dispersent.

BP ignored them.

Guess it's the Govt and Greenies at work again ?



Slippery Start: U.S. Response to Spill Falters

Quote:
Federal officials changed their minds on key moves, sometimes more than once. Chemical dispersants to break up the oil were approved, then judged too toxic, then re-approved. The administration criticized, debated and then partially approved a proposal by Louisiana politicians to build up eroded barrier islands to keep the oil at bay.


TWO obvious conclusions from both sides of the issue:

1. BP's greed and carelessness caused the disaster.

2. The incompetence and carelessness of the Feds (and B.O.) made the disaster worse.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: Vizzy
CO2 is indeed removed from the atmosphere by plants and the plants produce oxygen in return.


And where does the Carbon go when the oxygen is released? They are stored in the plant as biomass until they die and decompose. What happen when it decompose? It absorb oxygen and turn into C02.

I stand with my statement that plant is a carbon storage, not a CO2 eliminator.

 

[Shannow]

PandaBear, and the evidence is there for all to see in that CO2 levels are 50% higher than when we started playing.

Plants cannot remove it at the rate that we can make it.

 

[Gary Allan]

The often used non-truth is that plants will grow better due to all the added CO2 ..which really doesn't matter on an earlier argument ..but if you lose that point, you then say that the plants benefit from it.

Naturally this is only to the point that they deplete the nutrients in the soil ..and they then revert back to "plant normal".

Now it WOULD mean that you could sustain MORE plants ..but since we're in a deforestation mode, well, that dog just ain't going to hunt ..so then it must mean it's a commie plot.

See how easy that was to train together there??

 

[Trvlr500]

Shannow,

I don't think you are seeing the big picture here. I can't fully explain it here due to forum rules but I will tell you this. BP and this administration want Cap and Trade and they'll force it on us no matter what it takes. Even if the entire gulf is a dead zone for the next century.

The various environmental groups are NOT interested in the environment at all. That is obvious to anyone who has really watched what they do. Real environmentalists were piushed out of the picture MANY years ago.

Just recently the US Coast Gaurd was sent out to stop the skimmer ships from picking up the oil. The government has blocked one attempt after another to contain this mess.

The environmental groups wouldn't let them burn it when it was still out at sea. The environmetal groups wouldn't let them build the berms to stop it from getting ashore either.

I don't know what kind of propaganda they are pushing down there in OZ but you obnviously don't know what is really going on in the gulf. Nor do you know what our government is doing.

What they are saying in public is simply a modern version of Stalin's show trials. This is ALL intentional. Most of us in the states have figured that out by now.

This administration just gave Brazil $2 billion to invest in deep water drilling down in Brazil. It's not to difficult to figure out what is happening here.

 

[Trvlr500]

Originally Posted By: VNTS
Yuppers

That is why they call it cap and tax. even the Europeans are starting to see the light with Greece going bankrupt, they are now pulling back on all these taxpayer/goverment funded green projects because they realize it only raises the cost of energy and is bankrupting their goverments, ie if these are such profitable adventures, why isnt the private sector funding them???

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Originally Posted By: Vizzy
CO2 is indeed removed from the atmosphere by plants and the plants produce oxygen in return.

The more green plant life the more oxygen is created.

A little known fact. The CO2 levels were much higher a few centuries ago. This level has been fluctuating for eons before man appeared on the scene.

This whole CO2 "problem" is nothing more than a way for the IMF and other globalists to impose a global tax. Nothing more than an extension of the New World Order's continuing power grab.


Precisely.


Spain is now going under as well thanks to the green weenie movement. Their media is telling everyone not to be stupid like they were.

 

[Trvlr500]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
the most lucid argument that I've heard regarding Govt being responsible is that BP believed that their liability was capped at $75M, and adopted a risk profile that reflected the possibility of a $75M wrist slap if they messed up.

However, they are the ones that chose the risk profile that they adopted, and exposed themselves to the direct damages of infringing on other people's welfare, wellbeing, industry, etc.

In other words, they are responsible for the outcome, HAVING MADE DECISIONS of their own.


That's not true here, Shannow. A company in this country doesn't get to do anything without government permission or unless, as in this case, they bought off the regulators AND, also in this case, the president, the chief of staff and the treasury secretary.

Tim Geitner is living in a free apartment right now paid for by BP. Obama's house AND Romm Emanuels houses were both paid for by BP way back when they were still in Chicago.

This is as corrupt as corruption gets and I hope the truth will eventually be found out so those responsible spend the rest of their lives in jail.

 

[Shannow]

Well if they bought of the regulators, they still did what they did, AND payed off someone for the privilige.

BP still did it.

 

[Shannow]

You should have told me about the link between the spill reaching shore, forced evacuations, and the FEMA coffins.

Now it all makes sense.

 

[Gary Allan]

(sigh) Thank you, Mr. Tvlr500. We'll take your comments under advisement.

 

[Trvlr500]

Well, you can joke about it all you want. It's no laughing matter. I realize there are those that will never accept the fact that there is government corruption, only corprate corruption. I believe what we are seeing here is called Fascism where this oil spill is concerned.

Corporations do what the government ALLOWS them to do. It is also well known that in the coal industry the regulators are paid off to look the other way on certain issues.

I never said anything about FEMA coffins or forced evacuations either. Just what has been reported on lately.

The CFTC has the same problem with the silver and gold market manipulation.

 

[Shannow]

read an interesting snippet today, and it makes sense.

The oil spewing out will be carrying silt and sediment, which will be (if it hasn't already) eroding the pipe, reducing it's wall thickness, or maybe even it's entire integrity.

At which point, it's free to pop up whereever it makes a weak spot.

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: Shannow

Why ?

Link ?

Our government just pushed cap and tax due to this oil spill. Can't ever let a crisis go to waste you know.

That is the link between the oil leak and carbon.

And it got a $20 billion slush fund to go with it. BONUS!

 

[Vizzy]

Originally Posted By: Trvlr500
Well, you can joke about it all you want. It's no laughing matter. I realize there are those that will never accept the fact that there is government corruption, only corprate corruption. I believe what we are seeing here is called Fascism where this oil spill is concerned.

Corporations do what the government ALLOWS them to do. It is also well known that in the coal industry the regulators are paid off to look the other way on certain issues.

I never said anything about FEMA coffins or forced evacuations either. Just what has been reported on lately.

The CFTC has the same problem with the silver and gold market manipulation.



"Money Shot"

Right on the mark Trvlr500!

 

[Steve S]

The Government is our friend it is here to help us. Just get ready for the New World Order.

 

[Vizzy]

If you look at 911, Katrina, and this oil disaster and see the pattern of failure..you just have to believe that something MORE is going on with the bigger picture. It's hard to prove but after 45 years on this earth I have a gut feeling things are very very wrong with the leaders in the world, business or govt.