M1 0w-40 is Mobil 1 0W40, it is one of the best Mobil synthetic oil and recommended by Mercedes Benz, Porsch ...
Oil recommendations
- Thread starter sammysamsam
- Start date
- Status
Whatever you run, make sure it meets the HTO-06 spec as others have said. Not an oil that says "recommended for use where the HTO-06 spec is required" but an oil that ACTUALLY has the approval.
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
Whatever you run, make sure it meets the HTO-06 spec as others have said. Not an oil that says "recommended for use where the HTO-06 spec is required" but an oil that ACTUALLY has the approval.
Quote:
03 Acura RSX with aftermarket turbo with 52k miles
I like to push my car and the limiter is set to 8500rpm.
This recommendation does not make all that much sense. Why should he exclude so many superior oils and narrow it down to 2 or 3 HTO-06 oils that would be just OK for his application when is so far beyond the warranty coverage?
Whatever you run, make sure it meets the HTO-06 spec as others have said. Not an oil that says "recommended for use where the HTO-06 spec is required" but an oil that ACTUALLY has the approval.
Quote:
03 Acura RSX with aftermarket turbo with 52k miles
I like to push my car and the limiter is set to 8500rpm.
This recommendation does not make all that much sense. Why should he exclude so many superior oils and narrow it down to 2 or 3 HTO-06 oils that would be just OK for his application when is so far beyond the warranty coverage?
Because the HTO-06 spec exists to determine which oils are suitable for Honda engines with turbochargers... How would recommending a specification that is made to determine suitability for precisely this application "not make all that much sense?" Also, how are 5w30 Mobil 1, Pennzoil Platinum, Castrol Edge, and Pennzoil Ultra "just OK for his application?" They would seem to be ideal.
And you might as well get an oil that has actually has a given specification. That "recommended for use" stuff is for the birds. It means nothing more than, "we think you should buy our oil." Now, that's something that doesn't make much sense.
And you might as well get an oil that has actually has a given specification. That "recommended for use" stuff is for the birds. It means nothing more than, "we think you should buy our oil." Now, that's something that doesn't make much sense.
I would say something like Redline or Neo or M1 0W/5W-40 or Motul or Fuchs would be excluded by such a narrow recommendation for a car with an aftermarket turbo driven sometimes at race conditions - well outside the warranty. Specifications are minimums, and by sticking with a spec you are sometimes safe yes, but not optimum.
I think any oil company in business for 20-30+ years that recommends an oil for an application sure just like ALL oil companies want to sell oil (yeah the guys with specs don't!) - however they are not going to recommend a SUPERIOR oil without: a) knowing the specification and b) testing to the specification. The oil companies won't stick their necks out like that. Maybe you can cite some examples where "recommended for use" was inferior?
I think any oil company in business for 20-30+ years that recommends an oil for an application sure just like ALL oil companies want to sell oil (yeah the guys with specs don't!) - however they are not going to recommend a SUPERIOR oil without: a) knowing the specification and b) testing to the specification. The oil companies won't stick their necks out like that. Maybe you can cite some examples where "recommended for use" was inferior?
German Syntec
Originally Posted By: sammysamsam
I think M1 0w-40 is probably the most abundant oil in my area. I might give that a shot but the PYB has really caught my interest since it claims 40% sludge cleanup.
PYB? Did you mean PP or PU?
PYB = Pennzoil Yellow Bottle = conventional. Don't think that's a good idea in your engine.
I think M1 0w-40 is probably the most abundant oil in my area. I might give that a shot but the PYB has really caught my interest since it claims 40% sludge cleanup.
PYB? Did you mean PP or PU?
PYB = Pennzoil Yellow Bottle = conventional. Don't think that's a good idea in your engine.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Originally Posted By: sammysamsam
I think M1 0w-40 is probably the most abundant oil in my area. I might give that a shot but the PYB has really caught my interest since it claims 40% sludge cleanup.
PYB? Did you mean PP or PU?
PYB = Pennzoil Yellow Bottle = conventional. Don't think that's a good idea in your engine.
Yea, sorry I get confused with all these acronyms Penzoil has.
Lots of good reccomendations guys. This gives me a lot of different options.
Are all oils sold at walmart group III oils such as PP/PU, mobil, castrol, etc?
Originally Posted By: sammysamsam
I think M1 0w-40 is probably the most abundant oil in my area. I might give that a shot but the PYB has really caught my interest since it claims 40% sludge cleanup.
PYB? Did you mean PP or PU?
PYB = Pennzoil Yellow Bottle = conventional. Don't think that's a good idea in your engine.
Yea, sorry I get confused with all these acronyms Penzoil has.
Lots of good reccomendations guys. This gives me a lot of different options.
Are all oils sold at walmart group III oils such as PP/PU, mobil, castrol, etc?
Pennzoil says Platinum and Ultra are group III. Mobil and Castrol say nothing specific ("we use the highest quality base stocks including blah blah blah" etc.). Whatever's in the bottles at Wal Mart is whatever's in the bottles anywhere else.
Why do you ask?
Why do you ask?
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Pennzoil says Platinum and Ultra are group III. Mobil and Castrol say nothing specific ("we use the highest quality base stocks including blah blah blah" etc.). Whatever's in the bottles at Wal Mart is whatever's in the bottles anywhere else.
Why do you ask?
I am just trying to figure out how i can have sludge inside on the parts that the oil pan covers when I was using amsoil ASL oil which is supposed to be a group 4 oil. It just doesnt make any sense. Amsoil ASL says to change out the oil at 12k miles and I would change it out at 6k.
Pennzoil says Platinum and Ultra are group III. Mobil and Castrol say nothing specific ("we use the highest quality base stocks including blah blah blah" etc.). Whatever's in the bottles at Wal Mart is whatever's in the bottles anywhere else.
Why do you ask?
I am just trying to figure out how i can have sludge inside on the parts that the oil pan covers when I was using amsoil ASL oil which is supposed to be a group 4 oil. It just doesnt make any sense. Amsoil ASL says to change out the oil at 12k miles and I would change it out at 6k.
You may have too high of oil temp and may need to invest in an oil cooler.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Specifications are minimums, and by sticking with a spec you are sometimes safe yes, but not optimum.
So, the spec represents that the oil at least meets the minimum standard... I agree there. But how then would a person do better by using an oil that has not proven that it meets the minimum requirements?
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I think any oil company in business for 20-30+ years that recommends an oil for an application sure just like ALL oil companies want to sell oil (yeah the guys with specs don't!) - however they are not going to recommend a SUPERIOR oil without: a) knowing the specification and b) testing to the specification. The oil companies won't stick their necks out like that.
Well, I think we can all agree that longevity in business these days proves nothing more than your marketing, accounting, and legal departments are earning their wages. That aside, if the companies that recommend the oil where a spec is required have actually tested to the spec then why not go ahead and get the official "real deal." Surely a company that has been in business for 20-30+ years can afford to pay the licensing. To simply believe what you are saying about "recommended" oils is to have faith in an oil company. I'd rather not.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Maybe you can cite some examples where "recommended for use" was inferior?
No, but every lubricant that says 'recommended for use' may be cited as an example of a company using a legal loophole to trick a consumer ignorant of such jargon into believing that their product officially meets specs that it in fact does not.
Specifications are minimums, and by sticking with a spec you are sometimes safe yes, but not optimum.
So, the spec represents that the oil at least meets the minimum standard... I agree there. But how then would a person do better by using an oil that has not proven that it meets the minimum requirements?
Originally Posted By: Pablo
I think any oil company in business for 20-30+ years that recommends an oil for an application sure just like ALL oil companies want to sell oil (yeah the guys with specs don't!) - however they are not going to recommend a SUPERIOR oil without: a) knowing the specification and b) testing to the specification. The oil companies won't stick their necks out like that.
Well, I think we can all agree that longevity in business these days proves nothing more than your marketing, accounting, and legal departments are earning their wages. That aside, if the companies that recommend the oil where a spec is required have actually tested to the spec then why not go ahead and get the official "real deal." Surely a company that has been in business for 20-30+ years can afford to pay the licensing. To simply believe what you are saying about "recommended" oils is to have faith in an oil company. I'd rather not.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Maybe you can cite some examples where "recommended for use" was inferior?
No, but every lubricant that says 'recommended for use' may be cited as an example of a company using a legal loophole to trick a consumer ignorant of such jargon into believing that their product officially meets specs that it in fact does not.
Just because an oil is not listed by one manufacturer does not mean "not proven".
Not all companies exist by brute force, some have have to prove performance to customers to keep customers. And even though some companies can afford to pay, they choose not to.
Not all oil companies are trying to "trick" consumers, some actually tell the truth.
Not all companies exist by brute force, some have have to prove performance to customers to keep customers. And even though some companies can afford to pay, they choose not to.
Not all oil companies are trying to "trick" consumers, some actually tell the truth.
Agreed.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Just because an oil is not listed by one manufacturer does not mean "not proven".
Not all companies exist by brute force, some have have to prove performance to customers to keep customers. And even though some companies can afford to pay, they choose not to.
Not all oil companies are trying to "trick" consumers, some actually tell the truth.
So true.
But if my car/SUV is under warranty I would stay with the oils in the "approve list" such as MB 229.5 if I buy a new MB. After warranty period had expired then I would try whichever I think is best for my driving style and the car conditions. Example, I'm having xW20 in '00 E430 now while the recommended oil is M1 0W40 or GC 0W30 ...
Just because an oil is not listed by one manufacturer does not mean "not proven".
Not all companies exist by brute force, some have have to prove performance to customers to keep customers. And even though some companies can afford to pay, they choose not to.
Not all oil companies are trying to "trick" consumers, some actually tell the truth.
So true.
But if my car/SUV is under warranty I would stay with the oils in the "approve list" such as MB 229.5 if I buy a new MB. After warranty period had expired then I would try whichever I think is best for my driving style and the car conditions. Example, I'm having xW20 in '00 E430 now while the recommended oil is M1 0W40 or GC 0W30 ...
Originally Posted By: sammysamsam
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Pennzoil says Platinum and Ultra are group III. Mobil and Castrol say nothing specific ("we use the highest quality base stocks including blah blah blah" etc.). Whatever's in the bottles at Wal Mart is whatever's in the bottles anywhere else.
Why do you ask?
I am just trying to figure out how i can have sludge inside on the parts that the oil pan covers when I was using amsoil ASL oil which is supposed to be a group 4 oil. It just doesnt make any sense. Amsoil ASL says to change out the oil at 12k miles and I would change it out at 6k.
I highly recommend a UOA here. The "sludge" you speak of does not sound like overheating of a Grp IV oil.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Pennzoil says Platinum and Ultra are group III. Mobil and Castrol say nothing specific ("we use the highest quality base stocks including blah blah blah" etc.). Whatever's in the bottles at Wal Mart is whatever's in the bottles anywhere else.
Why do you ask?
I am just trying to figure out how i can have sludge inside on the parts that the oil pan covers when I was using amsoil ASL oil which is supposed to be a group 4 oil. It just doesnt make any sense. Amsoil ASL says to change out the oil at 12k miles and I would change it out at 6k.
I highly recommend a UOA here. The "sludge" you speak of does not sound like overheating of a Grp IV oil.
Originally Posted By: sammysamsam
I am just trying to figure out how i can have sludge inside on the parts that the oil pan covers when I was using amsoil ASL oil which is supposed to be a group 4 oil. It just doesnt make any sense. Amsoil ASL says to change out the oil at 12k miles and I would change it out at 6k.
You might have PCV issues or something. I strongly doubt the resilience of the base stock is a problem here. Whatever caused the problem you observed is likely to happen with any oil.
I am just trying to figure out how i can have sludge inside on the parts that the oil pan covers when I was using amsoil ASL oil which is supposed to be a group 4 oil. It just doesnt make any sense. Amsoil ASL says to change out the oil at 12k miles and I would change it out at 6k.
You might have PCV issues or something. I strongly doubt the resilience of the base stock is a problem here. Whatever caused the problem you observed is likely to happen with any oil.
- Status
Similar threads
