Oil Reccomedations for New Chevy Traverse

[lonestar]

With all due respect, the OLM in the lambda platforms will run 8K to 12K. Look at UOAs, the 3.6L DIs in the lambda platforms have trashed syns in 5K to 6K.

Also, I did find a NOACK rating for M1 5W30 and based on info dated November 2008 M1 5W30 has a NOACK of less than 8.5%. Not sure if there has been a formula change since then or not.

 

[ZGRider]

Originally Posted By: ernied
it's new follow what the manual say's or risk the loss of your warrenty.don't you think the people who make it know what they are doing?


Hello?....this is GM, remember? The company that says to use only Dexcool.

 

[The Critic]

Originally Posted By: lonestar
With all due respect, the OLM in the lambda platforms will run 8K to 12K. Look at UOAs, the 3.6L DIs in the lambda platforms have trashed syns in 5K to 6K.

Also, I did find a NOACK rating for M1 5W30 and based on info dated November 2008 M1 5W30 has a NOACK of less than 8.5%. Not sure if there has been a formula change since then or not.


There's a great UOA of Pennzoil Platinum in the GM 3.6L DI engine:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/posts/1747879/

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: robd
Thanks for all the advice. I am planning on using a syn 5w30 with a low NOACK reading and meeting GM spec GM6094M. How does M1 and PP stack up? Also would you stick with the stock AC oil filter or upgrade?


Of the two in general, and your specific application aside, I would select the PP over M1. However, Mobil brand conventional and synthetic oils are GM factory fill( dino vs syn depends on application ). From reading comments on the new engine it sounds like it is a beast on oil so not sure what to say.

GM uses Mobil oils pretty much because they get the best deal on them not always because they are the best oil. However, if problems did occur you can always say I used the same oil you guys do and followed the manual on when to change it. Just a thought on an engine apparantly that is hard on oil.

I would follow the advice of others and pick one of the quality name brand synthetics like PP, VVLSP, Kendall, etc..., or stick with the FF brand as I talked of which is Mobil, and change it around 5K rather than go by the OLM( unless it trips earlier )just to be safe.

For 5K OC's the AC filters are a good choice. I wouldn't push them much past 7K or so but in the average OC time frame they are very good. Another OE part if problems ever arose for you.

 

[jorton]

Originally Posted By: jorton
I guess you're asking for oil that's less volatile than most so blow-by gasses will be cleaner. I heard Valvoline Durablend is a good one. You can also check Amsoil comparison testing. Find the most current comparison for 5w-30.


The Durablend was 10w-30.

 

[robd]

What does everybody think of Castrol Edge 5w30 in this application? What is the Noack of Edge?

 

[lonestar]

I contact Castrol a few months ago and they advised that Edge's NOACK % was proprietary info. In the responses from Pennzoil regarding Ultra they said the following:

Question 31. "I have a Direct Injection engine and it is highly suspected that using oil with a NOACK rating over 10% is not good for DI engines. Since Pennzoil Ultra™ is over 10% would Pennzoil® guarantee no deposits to form on the valves of DI engines?

Oil volatility is not a significant factor for inlet valve deposits in a direct injection gasoline engine. The significant factor is viscosity modifier type and concentration, so using fully synthetic narrow span viscosity grades such as 5W-20 is beneficial. In North America, there is no specification calling for NOACK of less than 10%. The most important thing for DI engines is engine design, to better prevent deposits on ITV’s (In Take Valves), since there is no fuel wash as in PFI (Port Fuel Injection) engines.

Unfortunately, offering a guarantee against deposits would be tough since so many other variables could impact the outcome."

So, depending on where you live you might want to consider using 10W30 and not 5W30.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: robd
What does everybody think of Castrol Edge 5w30 in this application? What is the Noack of Edge?


Edge is a quality oil. And 5W30 is the recommended grade. It will do as well as probably anything shown in Lambda UOAs thus far. ..hopefully better.

So if you do go with EDGE please consider doing a UOA.

 

[Schredder]

Find an oil that meets Honda's HTO-06 spec. My wife and I just purchased a 2010 Equinox with the 2.4 SIDI ecotec engine. I too worry about intake valve deposits.

I currently plan on changing the factory fill at 1000 miles and use Mobil 1 5w30. I just wish Mobil would publish their NOACK figures.

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: Schredder
Find an oil that meets Honda's HTO-06 spec.



As I recall it is only M1 5W30 and PP 5W30 that *officially* meet this spec...wait that can`t be correct.

 

[lonestar]

Based on November 2008 data, Mobil1 5W30 has a NOACK Volatility % of 8.23.

 

[hominid7]

Does the OLM trump any warranty rec's for newer vehicles that have them?

 

[lonestar]

Originally Posted By: hominid7
Does the OLM trump any warranty rec's for newer vehicles that have them?



If you follow (or change more often) the OLM religiously and have proof, and in the case of GM Onstar tracks that whether you subscribe to the service or not, and you have a failure during the warranty period then you are covered assuming you are using a lubricant and filter that meets the manufactures specs.

In some vehicles following the OLM out to 0% just might be laying the foundation for engine issues after the warranty period has expired. In that case any issues would be your problem.

 

[el_zorro]

Originally Posted By: lonestar
I have an 09 3.6L DI and there are a lot of posts here and on the Encalve, Traverse, and Acadia websites. As some have mentioned, you need an oil with as low of a NOACK rating as you can find. The 3.6L DI beats up both dino and synthetic oils.


Good advise here lonestar on the NOACK. With the exception of a couple of bad UOAs from the same person that used Biosyn both times, I have yet to see a UOA here that shows that this engine is much harder on oil than any other V6 from GM. I saw a couple of UOAs using PP and they were much better than Biosyn. I know Biosyn is a Group V with many endorsements, but it is a boutique oil and maybe it is just not well suited for use in a DI engine.

 

[postjeeprcr]

Originally Posted By: el_zorro
Originally Posted By: lonestar
I have an 09 3.6L DI and there are a lot of posts here and on the Encalve, Traverse, and Acadia websites. As some have mentioned, you need an oil with as low of a NOACK rating as you can find. The 3.6L DI beats up both dino and synthetic oils.


Good advise here lonestar on the NOACK. With the exception of a couple of bad UOAs from the same person that used Biosyn both times, I have yet to see a UOA here that shows that this engine is much harder on oil than any other V6 from GM. I saw a couple of UOAs using PP and they were much better than Biosyn. I know Biosyn is a Group V with many endorsements, but it is a boutique oil and maybe it is just not well suited for use in a DI engine.



So it is good advice about NOACK but PP has a higher NOACK and yet had good UOAs?

 

[21Rouge]

Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr
So it is good advice about NOACK but PP has a higher NOACK and yet had good UOAs?


Who knows as the problem is that carbon deposits on intake valves etc is not detectable via a UOA.

 

[el_zorro]

Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr [/quote


So it is good advice about NOACK but PP has a higher NOACK and yet had good UOAs?


SynPower NOACK =8.62
PP NOACK =8.71

What's your point? they are almost the same.

 

[el_zorro]

BIOSYN NOACK=10.
So again, I agree with going with a lower NOACK oil for this application, looks like Synpower has a lower NOACK than Biosyn.

 

[Old Mustang Guy]

I couldn't find the NOACK on Mobil 0W30 but I bought some to use in my wife's 09 Acadia next change. I am hopeing for slightly better mpg.

 

[lonestar]

Looking at various places where one manufacture compares themselves to others it appears M1 5&10W30 are in the 8-9% NOACK% range. I have never seen a comparison of the M1 0W30 product but typically, based on those manufactures who provide NOACK data on their websites, 0WXX oil appear to have a bit higher NOACK% over their 5&10WXX brothers.

It is interesting to me that PP's NOACK% is a lot less that PU's.

The lowest NOACK% I have seen is AMSOIL's 5&10W30 and RL's 5&10W30. However, neither are API certified and thus maybe not what you would want to run in a vehicle still under warranty.