Oil in gas tank?

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: randomhero439
http://www.ls1.com/forums/f48/been-testing-91206/

Thoughts on this article?

Use 1oz of the Pennzoil Marine Synthetic 2-stroke oil per 5 gallons of gas ( 1oz-5gallons/ 2ozs - 10 gallons etc. and that is the perfect ratio. Too much and it will make your engine run worse....too little and it wont do anything.....use the proper amount.....get a little bottle and keep it in your car.....We have seen a maximum of 5% better MPG down to a minimum of 2% better MPG. All of our test mules reported much smoother idles and cruising. No smoking or ill effects. No residue on plugs our pistons....actually the opposite....we saw "cleaning".....I am now comfortable recommending this for all. I also now run this mixture in my GTO/Mercedes/Silverado and G6 with all having smoother running motors and all gaining MPG. Give it a try and let me know your experience. Follow the mixture ratio to the letter. 1 oz per 5 gallons of gas.


I've been doing it for years on every engine I own.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Likely not good for the O2's or the CAT in the long run .


I'm still waiting for a CC or 02 sensor to go bad from the use of TCW3 or MMO. I use it all the time and have been for decades now. I read about people here claiming it will happen, although it hasn't yet. Keep in mind some car makers say using a qt of oil every 600-1000 miles is normal. Engine oil burns dirty, MMO and TCW3 burn clean. How would 2 ounces of TCW3 in 10 gallons of gas, or 4 ounces of MMO in 10 gallons of gas ruin anything?


Exactly. The oil is so diluted that it can't harm or coat any sensors. And as already stated tc-w3 burns clean. I use it in everything. My compressor motors haven't been fouled yet.

And I like the idea of oil on the top end on the push stroke. Gives me the warm fuzzies.

 

[mechtech2]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
Catch cans are great for so many reasons!
But automakers can't put them on because they rely on civilians to dump the contents. And that can be only 2 weeks to 2 months.
It it a GREAT idea, but not implementable from the factory, because it has to last 50-100,000 miles.


Not quite.

This is why BMW uses air/oil separators that dumps the lube that would accumulate in your catch can, back in the sump! It works smashingly well too!


Why would you want blowby, water, acids, and whatever else back in your engine anywhere???
It is a lousy idea and is because they can't dump it on the ground or rely on people to dump a reservoir.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
When it comes to any miracle cures, here is the approach that I take.

- Is there a risk that the cure would be worse than the disease? Can I reasonably assure myself that it will not cause more problems if I were to use it?
- Assuming that the downside risk is minimal, then I am going to run the experiment myself. This assumes that the cost is minimal/affordable.

MMO, TC-W3, AutoRX, Kreen etc all stuff that I have tried. Some of them work in some situation and some don't.

Why do people get in to egoistical matches?


Well said. If the stuff you're using isn't formulated to address the problem you're using it for, why would anyone expect results?

 

[randomhero439]

So far the first half of the tank (200 miles), has proven quite smooth. The engine has smoother power at low RPM. If I do a "Hollywood" stop at a stopsign in 2nd gear, from 1000rpm-3000rpm is MUCH smoother than it used to be. I cant comment on WOT power gains, because this car rarely sees WOT. Initially it felt slightly more peppy through the gears, but ive probably gotten used to it by not and cant tell anymore. Back to the first sentence... Ive driven 200 miles on half a tank. For some cars this is ordinary. But for a car with a 13.2gal tank that is used almost exclusively for Pizza Delivery and running errands around town... i must be getting much better than the 28mpg i usually get. Ill fill it up likely sometime this week.

My only drawback so far is when the car is started from sitting overnight. It takes a little longer to start than normal. I used a 1:483 ratio. The article states 1:640 ratio, ill stick that when i fill up.

 

[Vikas]

Don't go high concentrate on TC-W3. It is counterproductive. Stick with 1:640 ratio

 

[randomhero439]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Don't go high concentrate on TC-W3. It is counterproductive. Stick with 1:640 ratio


Im getting antsy, so im gonna go fill up and do the 1:640 ratio. BRB

 

[Vikas]

If you still have the previous fill in it, go at even lower concentration to account for what you already have there.

 

[randomhero439]

OK so my last 5 fillups ive averaged 28.8mpg with the 2-stroke oil. This is almost exclusively city driving (pizza delivery). Probably 70 miles was highway on each fillup. The car is EPA estimated at 28/36.

I filled up at the same pump tonight and got 29.5mpg over 294 miles using a 1:483 ratio of 2-stroke oil. This is a 2.4% gain in fuel economy compared to the last 5 fillups without the 2-stroke oil. The ratio in the tank now is 1:720. Ill keep updating this to get a trend.

 

[randomhero439]

Tests are over complete fill-ups ~1500 miles.

EXAMPLE:
Test 1: Cold weather, no oil, 28.8mpg
Test 2: Cold/Warm weather, marine oil, 30mpg
Test 3: Warm weather, no oil, 29mpg
Therefore, Marine oil is successful because it got better MPG is worst driving conditions (ie weather).

 

[Vikas]

Here is the best part of this test. You have personally done the test and those results are valid for you. If other people do not believe in your test, it is their loss. You do not have to convince them or justify your tests. You should still be open to possibility that you might have a flaw in the test.

If you can keep the accurate records, I for one would be very much interested in actual data. This forum is littered with lots and lots of noise. Raw data is very rare and I appreciate your efforts in providing it.

 

[randomhero439]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Here is the best part of this test. You have personally done the test and those results are valid for you. If other people do not believe in your test, it is their loss. You do not have to convince them or justify your tests. You should still be open to possibility that you might have a flaw in the test.

If you can keep the accurate records, I for one would be very much interested in actual data. This forum is littered with lots and lots of noise. Raw data is very rare and I appreciate your efforts in providing it.


Yes its a fun little experiment. Im going to start the test on my Accord as well, so ill have two cars worth of data. I should get better MPG when its warm out. Ill keep this thread posted.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Here is the best part of this test. You have personally done the test and those results are valid for you. If other people do not believe in your test, it is their loss. You do not have to convince them or justify your tests. You should still be open to possibility that you might have a flaw in the test.

If you can keep the accurate records, I for one would be very much interested in actual data. This forum is littered with lots and lots of noise. Raw data is very rare and I appreciate your efforts in providing it.


Seconded!!!

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Here is the best part of this test. You have personally done the test and those results are valid for you. If other people do not believe in your test, it is their loss. You do not have to convince them or justify your tests. You should still be open to possibility that you might have a flaw in the test.

If you can keep the accurate records, I for one would be very much interested in actual data. This forum is littered with lots and lots of noise. Raw data is very rare and I appreciate your efforts in providing it.


Seconded!!!


Thirded!

I'm doing some experimentation with canola right now and I was considering formulating a fuel additive from it, in addition to the oil additive experimentation I'm currently doing. I'll be keeping an eye on your progress to determine how bet to proceed with this; I was considering xylene, acetone, and PEA along with a small amount of canola, in perhaps an isopropyl carrier. I used to add a mix of xylene, acetone, and ethanol as a fuel additive in my Accord, but dumped that in favor of PEA for my Corollas, but I've had an itch to start mixing chems again...

 

[Vikas]

You almost had me there but the Canola gave it away

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
You almost had me there but the Canola gave it away


Not sure I follow... There are several threads about canola going right now and none of them are anything less than serious.

 

[Vikas]

Did I miss them? Yours was the first canola reference that I came across.

 

[randomhero439]

UPDATE for the Civic
Benchmark (no oil), 1586 miles, averaged 28.9mpg ~ 70-80% city driving.

Fill up 1: 29.4mpg, 76% city driving, 1:500 ratio
Fill up 2: 30.5mpg, 89% city driving, 1:640 ratio
Current average over 616 miles: 29.9mpg (3.5% gain in mpg)

The 1:500 ratio caused the engine to turn over a couple more times when cold starting. The 1:640 ratio seems to have eliminated that side effect.

 

[wag123]

I started using the cheap Walmart 2-cycle oil (1 oz per 5 gal gas) in my wife's Honda CR-V over a year ago. Her fuel mileage (all city miles) improved from a long-term average of 19.9 mpg to 20.7 mpg, a solid 3.5% increase. She always fills up with Shell 87 octane and nothing else has changed. 3.5% is NOT a statistically insignificant improvement.

 

[TuBon_gRips]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Did I miss them? Yours was the first canola reference that I came across.


You must have. There were a few old Canola threads but nothing came of those, then I mentioned wanting to mess with Canola in a used oil analysis post and another member took that and ran with it starting their own thread, and I took it back and started talking about some additional experimentation I'm doing (so far so good BTW).