Oil for mk6 golf TDI

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Originally Posted by edyvw
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Ok edy, as usual you know best, not VW.

Compared to 502/505 it has lower saps/creates less soot, has better wear protection, better fuel mileage, and double the potential service life. As a side effect if you also get oil with 229.51 or .52 approval (like 90% of them) you also get lower noack. But yeah, it's not any better.

No as side effect you will not get MB229.51. MB 229.51 is harder to meet than VW 504.00/507.00.
By that argument you can say that as side effect you will get MB 229.5 if you buy VW 502.00, which is actually true.
That is the point. No one buys VW 502.00 alone. Everyone buys set of approvals.

By the way, maximum sulfated levels in VW 504.00/507.00 is 1.5%, and low SAPS in deleted SCR/DPF is absolutely irrelevant. Actually, it is desirable to be higher.
NOACK of VW504.00/507.00 is max 11%, which is mediocre at best.


I don't care what the spec calls for there are virtually zero 504/507 oils on the market with saps and noack that high. Maybe the VW specific ones without any other approvals. The Total I posted has several other approvals. You know that so your points are somewhat odd.

Higher soot formation is always a bad thing, even without DPF. Because of the variable turbo alone he should use it unless his driving is mainly highway. EGR system benefits from lower soot as well.
 
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by edyvw
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Ok edy, as usual you know best, not VW.

Compared to 502/505 it has lower saps/creates less soot, has better wear protection, better fuel mileage, and double the potential service life. As a side effect if you also get oil with 229.51 or .52 approval (like 90% of them) you also get lower noack. But yeah, it's not any better.

No as side effect you will not get MB229.51. MB 229.51 is harder to meet than VW 504.00/507.00.
By that argument you can say that as side effect you will get MB 229.5 if you buy VW 502.00, which is actually true.
That is the point. No one buys VW 502.00 alone. Everyone buys set of approvals.

By the way, maximum sulfated levels in VW 504.00/507.00 is 1.5%, and low SAPS in deleted SCR/DPF is absolutely irrelevant. Actually, it is desirable to be higher.
NOACK of VW504.00/507.00 is max 11%, which is mediocre at best.


I don't care what the spec calls for there are virtually zero 504/507 oils on the market with saps and noack that high. Maybe the VW specific ones without any other approvals. The Total I posted has several other approvals. You know that so your points are somewhat odd.

Higher soot formation is always a bad thing, even without DPF. Because of the variable turbo alone he should use it unless his driving is mainly highway. EGR system benefits from lower soot as well.

I know soot is an issue, but what makes you think Mobil1 TDT or similar oil wont address it?
 
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by edyvw
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Ok edy, as usual you know best, not VW.

Compared to 502/505 it has lower saps/creates less soot, has better wear protection, better fuel mileage, and double the potential service life. As a side effect if you also get oil with 229.51 or .52 approval (like 90% of them) you also get lower noack. But yeah, it's not any better.

No as side effect you will not get MB229.51. MB 229.51 is harder to meet than VW 504.00/507.00.
By that argument you can say that as side effect you will get MB 229.5 if you buy VW 502.00, which is actually true.
That is the point. No one buys VW 502.00 alone. Everyone buys set of approvals.

By the way, maximum sulfated levels in VW 504.00/507.00 is 1.5%, and low SAPS in deleted SCR/DPF is absolutely irrelevant. Actually, it is desirable to be higher.
NOACK of VW504.00/507.00 is max 11%, which is mediocre at best.


I don't care what the spec calls for there are virtually zero 504/507 oils on the market with saps and noack that high. Maybe the VW specific ones without any other approvals. The Total I posted has several other approvals. You know that so your points are somewhat odd.

Higher soot formation is always a bad thing, even without DPF. Because of the variable turbo alone he should use it unless his driving is mainly highway. EGR system benefits from lower soot as well.

I know soot is an issue, but what makes you think Mobil1 TDT or similar oil wont address it?


Truthfully I have not researched that oil. However if it is oil formulated for engines with DPF, I see no problem with using it. If it was my car and I wanted to use a HDEO I'd probably go with T6 MV instead, but that's subjective opinion.
 
Originally Posted by RECON_RON
What's your opinion on Mobil 1 FS 0w40 ?

You can do that with delete, but my preference is Castrol 0W40 if you going ACEA A3.
 
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by edyvw
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Ok edy, as usual you know best, not VW.

Compared to 502/505 it has lower saps/creates less soot, has better wear protection, better fuel mileage, and double the potential service life. As a side effect if you also get oil with 229.51 or .52 approval (like 90% of them) you also get lower noack. But yeah, it's not any better.

No as side effect you will not get MB229.51. MB 229.51 is harder to meet than VW 504.00/507.00.
By that argument you can say that as side effect you will get MB 229.5 if you buy VW 502.00, which is actually true.
That is the point. No one buys VW 502.00 alone. Everyone buys set of approvals.

By the way, maximum sulfated levels in VW 504.00/507.00 is 1.5%, and low SAPS in deleted SCR/DPF is absolutely irrelevant. Actually, it is desirable to be higher.
NOACK of VW504.00/507.00 is max 11%, which is mediocre at best.


I don't care what the spec calls for there are virtually zero 504/507 oils on the market with saps and noack that high. Maybe the VW specific ones without any other approvals. The Total I posted has several other approvals. You know that so your points are somewhat odd.

Higher soot formation is always a bad thing, even without DPF. Because of the variable turbo alone he should use it unless his driving is mainly highway. EGR system benefits from lower soot as well.

edyvw is correct, sulphated ash max is 1.5%, the same as 505.00 oil. Sulphated ash is not the same as SAPs, which SAP includes phosphorus, that's what the P stands for. SA is sulphated ash. You should try learning what the acronym means first.

Remember, it is a upper limit, it doesn't have to be at 1.5% to meet VW standards, just like noack, it is only a maximum limit.

504/507 isn't low SAPs, not by ACEA standards, at least.

The easy way to keep the turbo vanes from sticking is not drive it like a grandma all the time, occasionally flogging the throttle will keep the soot on the vanes at bay.

And there is a correlation with sulphated ash and TBN. Since detergents have sulfur in them, less sulfur = lower TBN.
 
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I am a bit late to the conversation but wanted to share my experience. Was told when I deleted my mk6 tdi to use a 505.1 spec oil. That being said, I ended up going with Rotella T6. I've had several samples sent to Blackstone...almost every oil chance since using...and have had really good results. While I'm in Pennsylvania and the climate is surely different, it should still be a good choice for you to use.
 
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Originally Posted by UG_Passat

edyvw is correct, sulphated ash max is 1.5%, the same as 505.00 oil.


Can you show me a 504 oil with ash that high? Seeing as how they're C3 oils which has a maximum of 0.8...

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

Sulphated ash is not the same as SAPs, which SAP includes phosphorus, that's what the P stands for. SA is sulphated ash. You should try learning what the acronym means first.


Captain obvious

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

Remember, it is a upper limit, it doesn't have to be at 1.5% to meet VW standards, just like noack, it is only a maximum limit.


See above

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

The easy way to keep the turbo vanes from sticking is not drive it like a grandma all the time, occasionally flogging the throttle will keep the soot on the vanes at bay.


Captain obvious again. Problem is 95% of people drive TDI's for fuel mileage only and never do this.

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

And there is a correlation with sulphated ash and TBN. Since detergents have sulfur in them, less sulfur = lower TBN.


Three Captain obvious' in one post. Nice
thumbsup2.gif
 
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Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by UG_Passat

edyvw is correct, sulphated ash max is 1.5%, the same as 505.00 oil.


Can you show me a 504 oil with ash that high? Seeing as how they're C3 oils which has a maximum of 0.8...

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

Sulphated ash is not the same as SAPs, which SAP includes phosphorus, that's what the P stands for. SA is sulphated ash. You should try learning what the acronym means first.


Captain obvious

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

Remember, it is a upper limit, it doesn't have to be at 1.5% to meet VW standards, just like noack, it is only a maximum limit.


See above

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

The easy way to keep the turbo vanes from sticking is not drive it like a grandma all the time, occasionally flogging the throttle will keep the soot on the vanes at bay.


Captain obvious again. Problem is 95% of people drive TDI's for fuel mileage only and never do this.

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

And there is a correlation with sulphated ash and TBN. Since detergents have sulfur in them, less sulfur = lower TBN.


Three Captain obvious' in one post. Nice
thumbsup2.gif



33.gif
 
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by UG_Passat

edyvw is correct, sulphated ash max is 1.5%, the same as 505.00 oil.


Can you show me a 504 oil with ash that high? Seeing as how they're C3 oils which has a maximum of 0.8...

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

Sulphated ash is not the same as SAPs, which SAP includes phosphorus, that's what the P stands for. SA is sulphated ash. You should try learning what the acronym means first.


Captain obvious

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

Remember, it is a upper limit, it doesn't have to be at 1.5% to meet VW standards, just like noack, it is only a maximum limit.


See above

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

The easy way to keep the turbo vanes from sticking is not drive it like a grandma all the time, occasionally flogging the throttle will keep the soot on the vanes at bay.


Captain obvious again. Problem is 95% of people drive TDI's for fuel mileage only and never do this.

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

And there is a correlation with sulphated ash and TBN. Since detergents have sulfur in them, less sulfur = lower TBN.


Three Captain obvious' in one post. Nice
thumbsup2.gif



33.gif



Well there's a good rebuttal.

Soot formation is not a good thing in modern diesels, period. People coking up turbos and/or DPF's and/or EGR's (among other things) in their diesel grocery getters pays my mortgage, so at the end of the day, giving bad advice is great news for me. I also love it when old school guys add ATF or two-stroke oil to the fuel
smile.gif
.
 
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by edyvw
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Originally Posted by UG_Passat

edyvw is correct, sulphated ash max is 1.5%, the same as 505.00 oil.


Can you show me a 504 oil with ash that high? Seeing as how they're C3 oils which has a maximum of 0.8...

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

Sulphated ash is not the same as SAPs, which SAP includes phosphorus, that's what the P stands for. SA is sulphated ash. You should try learning what the acronym means first.


Captain obvious

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

Remember, it is a upper limit, it doesn't have to be at 1.5% to meet VW standards, just like noack, it is only a maximum limit.


See above

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

The easy way to keep the turbo vanes from sticking is not drive it like a grandma all the time, occasionally flogging the throttle will keep the soot on the vanes at bay.


Captain obvious again. Problem is 95% of people drive TDI's for fuel mileage only and never do this.

Originally Posted by UG_Passat

And there is a correlation with sulphated ash and TBN. Since detergents have sulfur in them, less sulfur = lower TBN.


Three Captain obvious' in one post. Nice
thumbsup2.gif



33.gif



Well there's a good rebuttal.

Soot formation is not a good thing in modern diesels, period. People coking up turbos and/or DPF's and/or EGR's (among other things) in their diesel grocery getters pays my mortgage, so at the end of the day, giving bad advice is great news for me. I also love it when old school guys add ATF or two-stroke oil to the fuel
smile.gif
.

I am not sure you understood what I said.
 
Well you just highlighted the 95% part, which is a bit of hyperbole but let's be honest, most of these people drive TDI's for the mileage. Some simply prefer them, or the powerband etc but not most. I know you are originally from Europe so your views on TDI is likely different than someone growing up in North America.
 
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Originally Posted by Jimmy_Russells
Well you just highlighted the 95% part, which is a bit of hyperbole but let's be honest, most of these people drive TDI's for the mileage. Some simply prefer them, or the powerband etc but not most. I know you are originally from Europe so your views on TDI is likely different than someone growing up in North America.

Actually TDI's are quite popular here in CO (probably due to altitude) and I yet to meet person who drives it like a Prius.
Usually it is opposite. The reason why they bought it is because it offers great MPG, and can be a lot of fun.
 
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