Oil for Dodge Ram Cummins

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I would expect Europe to get a fairly reasonable selection of HDEOs. Plenty of German cars from the 1990s recommended a lot of 15w40, along with 10w-40, and there is AG equipment as you mention.

Here, finding a 10w-40 that meets even a CF spec requires a bit of careful reading of the bottle.
 
Originally Posted By: rrounds
If I spent that much money just on a oil and filter change, I would get a bypass filter on my truck/car and run the oil for 20k+ miles. That way I could run better oil and not cost me any more on a mile for mile comparison and have cleaner oil to boot.


Thats just for the oil, not filter ;-)

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
What others have said... stick with CI4 or CJ4 oils. Its false economy to use the cheapest possible oil in the most expensive engine offered in a Ram truck. Yes, 12 quarts is a slug of money, but a good oil can stay in there AT LEAST 10k miles, which helps offset the per-change cost. A cheaper oil with a low TBN can't be run as long, and simply may not protect as well in the first place if the additive package is weak.


I'm not looking for the cheapest oil, but the best oil for a fair price if you know what I mean.

I am a mehanical engineer, so I know the importance of using the right additive packages, but I have no knowledge of the cummins engine and I could only find something about a 15w40 CJ oil in the FSM, which I believed was a bit dated information.

I sometimes use the Ram for short trips and therefore I though a 5w40 weight oil would be a better choice in the winter.

The Verkol oil is not the cheapest oil (10-12$ pr qts retail price)and we use in our 200000$ tractors with commonrail diesel engines. But we buy it in large quantities and therefore I can get it for a good price, but still I'm was only planning to use it if its a good (not just acceptable) choice for the cummins.
 
Originally Posted By: Roald
Originally Posted By: rrounds
If I spent that much money just on a oil and filter change, I would get a bypass filter on my truck/car and run the oil for 20k+ miles. That way I could run better oil and not cost me any more on a mile for mile comparison and have cleaner oil to boot.


Thats just for the oil, not filter ;-)

Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
What others have said... stick with CI4 or CJ4 oils. Its false economy to use the cheapest possible oil in the most expensive engine offered in a Ram truck. Yes, 12 quarts is a slug of money, but a good oil can stay in there AT LEAST 10k miles, which helps offset the per-change cost. A cheaper oil with a low TBN can't be run as long, and simply may not protect as well in the first place if the additive package is weak.


I'm not looking for the cheapest oil, but the best oil for a fair price if you know what I mean.

I am a mehanical engineer, so I know the importance of using the right additive packages, but I have no knowledge of the cummins engine and I could only find something about a 15w40 CJ oil in the FSM, which I believed was a bit dated information.

I sometimes use the Ram for short trips and therefore I though a 5w40 weight oil would be a better choice in the winter.

The Verkol oil is not the cheapest oil (10-12$ pr qts retail price)and we use in our 200000$ tractors with commonrail diesel engines. But we buy it in large quantities and therefore I can get it for a good price, but still I'm was only planning to use it if its a good (not just acceptable) choice for the cummins.


Sounds to me like you're on the right track, not questioning your intentions so much now that I understand you're not after "THE cheapest," but the best performance for the money.

Over here, we'd all reflexively say "Valvoline Premium Blue" or "Rotella T6" or "Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck" according to our own preference when asked that question about the Cummins. I just don't know what's available in your market... maybe it would be good for you to look at the spec sheets on some of those US-market oils and find something as close as possible in your market. Rotella t6 is a great performer for the dollar in the 5w40 grade, Valvoline PB or Delo400 conventional are probably better performance/dollar if you can live with a 15w40.
 
Originally Posted By: A_Harman
Originally Posted By: earlyre
What you have is a Cummins B Series Engine.
Freightliner also used them, and when your truck was made, was also owned by Daimler-chrysler.
Using that Knowledge, and playing around with the Lubricant- advisor on the Verkol website, it spits out 3 choices:
1:VERKOPLUS 15w40 SHPD (M.BENZ APPROVED)
2:TURBOPLUS 15w40 LD (M.BENZ APPROVED)
3:VERKOL TDI 15w40
With the First one being their primary Reccomendation.



You're logic here is flawed. You should not assume that you can use an MB-spec oil in the Cummins engine because Mercedes owned Freightliner. If a Freightliner truck has a Cummins engine, only Cummins-approved oil should be put in the engine. Mercedes had nothing to do with the engineering of the Cummins engine, and besides, the engine we are discussing here is installed in a Dodge pickup truck.

The Turboplus 10w40 LD oil that the OP is considering has Cummins approvals on it, and would be appropriate for the B5.9 engine in his truck.


So yes, maybe i should have cut the "(M.BENZ APPROVED)" from the listing i copied and pasted from the oil companies website.

Let Me explain my path, so you can see my train of logic..
Yes the engine(Cummins B Series) was installed in a Dodge Pickup. But it was designed/engineered/built by Cummins. The Freightliner I Put into the Verkol Lubricant- advisor was a Sprinter Van, with a Cummins B series Engine(same as they put in the Dodge trucks), since they didn't have a listing for Dodge Trucks.

basically, what i was trying to say, was that these two vehicles use the same engine, and this is what they recommend for that engine.
It would be like if you had a Taurus With the Vulcan3.0, and needed to get a part (say an oil filter). If you don't know which one you need, you use the book in the parts aisle. for some reason the page for the your Taurus is missing, but a few pages over, there's the listing for a Ranger with the same engine. you would use that part # for your car, would you not?
 
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Sprinter Van, with a Cummins B series Engine(same as they put in the Dodge trucks), since they didn't have a listing for Dodge Trucks.



FYI Sprinter vans do NOT come with a Cummins B series engine!
They come with a OM6xx MB car type diesel. 3.0-3.2L in N. America, also smaller diesels in other markets.
The Vario van/truck comes with the 4 cyl OM904 series MB diesel, similar but not at all identical to the 4cyl Cummins ISB.4BT series (3.9 or 4.5L)

Charlie
 
Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Sprinter Van, with a Cummins B series Engine(same as they put in the Dodge trucks), since they didn't have a listing for Dodge Trucks.



FYI Sprinter vans do NOT come with a Cummins B series engine!
They come with a OM6xx MB car type diesel. 3.0-3.2L in N. America, also smaller diesels in other markets.
The Vario van/truck comes with the 4 cyl OM904 series MB diesel, similar but not at all identical to the 4cyl Cummins ISB.4BT series (3.9 or 4.5L)

Charlie


everybody's a critic! Guy tries to help someone, and gets a couple details wrong from memory...sheesh...
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so correct, the link i clicked on was not for a Frieghtliner sprinter van. (I was working from memory earlier, but just now, I re-did my initial detective work)
Under Freightliner, i Clicked on the Cummins B Series engine link.
Giving me This Page

and with that i am done with this thread.
 
If your '02 is anything like my '02 Ram 2500 5.9 Cummins was-it'll start just fine, even at subzero temps, with 15W40-you'll just want to let it idle a minute or 2 (or even fast idle at 1000-1100 RPM) to let the oil make it up to the valvetrain, before driving it. The low-SAPS 5W40 oil you listed will likely not HURT anything-but the lower starting TBN combined with short trips, esp. in cold weather, would mean changing the oil much more often than with a higher SAPS, CH- or CI-4/+ HDEO like the common ones here in the USA. If you can get it cheap enough, run it 3000 KM or so, get a used oil analysis, establish how long the TBN will hold out.
 
Originally Posted By: Roald
Hi,

I was wondering what the opinion is on Ardeca oil from Belgium? Its the most inexpensive oil I can find but I don't know if this oil is suiteable for my Dodge Ram Cummins truck (year 2002)

See the links below for further information on the Ardeca Syntec 5w40

http://www.ardeca-lubricants.be/files/sheets/TDS EN - SYN-TEC XL 5W40.pdf

http://www.ardeca-lubricants.be/files/sheets/MSDS EN - SYN-TEC XL 5W40 new.pdf

Tjena, Roald!

Up here the cheapest diesel engine oils seem to be the Finnish Neste-products and some of the imported US products.

What brands do you have available locally?

Also, how about ordering oil from for example Germany? German brands such as Aral are quite affordable and several online shops deliver abroad easily, even up here.
 
Check out Schaefferoil.de
Maybe it is possible to get Schaeffers where you are. Denmark is adjacent to Germany, right? Schaeffers makes excellent lubricants, and I am told that they are very price competitive in Europe, even though imported from USA. Performance vs cost is what has sold me on Schaeffers.
If you have any questions on how to buy, please contact a member here named "salesrep". He will have your answers and he is somehow involved in the sale of Schaeffers products over there, I believe.
 
Using such an oil is a gamble, best stick to a major brand (Castrol, Mobil, Shell or Liqui Moly) then look at their alternatives section for a cheaper dino option that is recommended for a Cummins.
If you are looking to save a few bob, then find a few clean containers and go visit the nearest farm and buy some Fuchs 10/40 diesel oil from their bulk 50 gallon drum. Stay away from expensive looking farms as they might be using Castrol ot Mobil diesel oils, the Fuchs drums are blue and easy to spot.
 
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Originally Posted By: m37charlie
Originally Posted By: earlyre
Sprinter Van, with a Cummins B series Engine(same as they put in the Dodge trucks), since they didn't have a listing for Dodge Trucks.



FYI Sprinter vans do NOT come with a Cummins B series engine!
They come with a OM6xx MB car type diesel. 3.0-3.2L in N. America, also smaller diesels in other markets.
The Vario van/truck comes with the 4 cyl OM904 series MB diesel, similar but not at all identical to the 4cyl Cummins ISB.4BT series (3.9 or 4.5L)

Charlie


I was poking about on eBay for a relative that wanted a diesel van for Ghana and wanted to see what was out there in the US that I could get parts for in the UK.

Some of the older Sprinters had the 2.7 CDi lump with 5speed auto, same engine and box as fitted to the Mercedes Sprinter Ambulances bought for London from 2003 till 2006.

Still being used today.

In the OP's situation perhaps he should look at Mobil Delvac products, not familiar with the Cummins engines requirements but I found some well priced 10w40 HDEO to CI 4 spec, the price I was given by the distributer in Southampton was just over £80 for 20 litres, roughly €100 or $130 for Delvac XHP LE.
 
That looks good, I thought the local farmers might be using German Fuchs as it is a big export, but many countries have their own brand of agricultural or truckers oil.
The 15w40 will be cheaper than the 10/40 and it doesn't get too cold in Denmark.
 
Originally Posted By: rrounds
Originally Posted By: Roald


I live in Denmark (Europe). And every 'known' good oil seems to cost me around 200-250$ for an oil change...


If I spent that much money just on a oil and filter change, I would get a bypass filter on my truck/car and run the oil for 20k+ miles. That way I could run better oil and not cost me any more on a mile for mile comparison and have cleaner oil to boot.


I've got a friend with a newer dodge. He is using a toilet paper by-pass system,2 bypass filters and a full flow. He only changes the filter,not the oil. At his filter change interval he adds up to a gallon of new oil. His used oil analysis show no insols and wear metals are very low. He tows with it daily. He reconditions used cars so he travels around the province picking up used cars and transporting them on a trailer,2 at a time.
100000kms on the factory fill so far. I think the condemnation limit is 200ppm iron and he hasn't hit that yet.
Apparently this tp roll filtration filters wear metals out too,so he thinks anyways. He's been driving a cummins since the mid 90's. All of them he has driven like this. Never has he had an oil or wear related issue.
If it ain't broke I guess eh.
 
I've might have found another suitable oil.

What do you think about specifications on this oil?

10w40 with API CI-4 and CUMMINS CES 20072 approval

Full specs in this PDF below

http://www.industrikemi.dk/documents/00047.pdf

And would it be a bad idea to use an oil like this in my 1987 L98 corvette? factory roller cam and no cats - at least not for long anyway :-)
 
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