M1 and an oil filter, every 7500 miles.
Then, go get a beer.
Then, go get a beer.
Oil for 1st change - Lexus IS350
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Before you post your "expert" opinon, it would help of you read-up on oem service practices in this area. Honda and Acura are 10k on oil and 20k on the tiny lemon-sized filter. Audi oem filters (Mann) say 30,000km on their side. On the contrary, BMW owners who wait until the oem-approved 15,000 miles to service their oil and filter might be well-advised to take the ~simple~ step of oil drain/extraction at the midway point. I'm sorry if you find my common-sense approach beyond comprehension.
You need to be able to go back a post or two and use recall - since they're still here to read, it should be easy for you.
You claimed not changing oil filters is a "automobile manufacturer RECOMMENDED practice" in response to Mustang_Cougar.
Now, I nicely stated that "I've never heard of that one" and you come back with an other smart-arsed remark.
I have personally never seen an owner's manual tell people to change the filter 1/2 as often as the oil. Is that what's in the manuals now?
Common-sense as you say does not dictate that one changes filters in a 1:2 ratio with oil. In fact, if any makers are recommending this, it's new as far as my knowledge.
Scott
You claimed not changing oil filters is a "automobile manufacturer RECOMMENDED practice" in response to Mustang_Cougar.
Now, I nicely stated that "I've never heard of that one" and you come back with an other smart-arsed remark.
I have personally never seen an owner's manual tell people to change the filter 1/2 as often as the oil. Is that what's in the manuals now?
Common-sense as you say does not dictate that one changes filters in a 1:2 ratio with oil. In fact, if any makers are recommending this, it's new as far as my knowledge.
Scott
Wow, guys, I hope jhc is getting a laugh out of all this rather than wondering why he joined.
2 cents: While Auto-Union may be correct that there is no scientific reason to change the filter more than ever other oil change, it does not follow that there is a scientific reason NOT to change it. It certainly will not hurt anything, and with a car that nice, why not play it more safe than may be necessary? Just my opinion. Flame away if you must.
jhc, if it were my car, I would talk to the techs at the Toyota dealer about 100 degree temps and whether that might constitute severe service, at least in the summer. Then I would find a mechanic you trust, ask the same questions, and compare answers to make sure the dealer doesn't want just to sell you more oil changes than you need. Also, again if it were my car, I would use synthetic, and choose one that has a record of good resistance to thermal breakdown, partly because of those summer temps.
Nice car! Enjoy.
2 cents: While Auto-Union may be correct that there is no scientific reason to change the filter more than ever other oil change, it does not follow that there is a scientific reason NOT to change it. It certainly will not hurt anything, and with a car that nice, why not play it more safe than may be necessary? Just my opinion. Flame away if you must.
jhc, if it were my car, I would talk to the techs at the Toyota dealer about 100 degree temps and whether that might constitute severe service, at least in the summer. Then I would find a mechanic you trust, ask the same questions, and compare answers to make sure the dealer doesn't want just to sell you more oil changes than you need. Also, again if it were my car, I would use synthetic, and choose one that has a record of good resistance to thermal breakdown, partly because of those summer temps.
Nice car! Enjoy.
Yeah, nothing like some heated debate to welcome a new guy.
It's all good fun, really.
I don't want to spend time in a place where I agree 100% with every post - I could talk to myself all day if that's what I wanted.
Nobody ever learned by accepting what someone else says and not questioning it...
Scott
It's all good fun, really.
I don't want to spend time in a place where I agree 100% with every post - I could talk to myself all day if that's what I wanted.
Nobody ever learned by accepting what someone else says and not questioning it...
Scott
Oh, and to Scott:
I have seen several newer manuals that call for filter changes ever other OC. My '03 Honda calls for that for regular service but says to change it ever OC for severe service if I recall correctly. I change it every OC anyway because I hate money and try to throw away as much as possible of it at every opportunity.
(Just trying to lighten things up.)
I have seen several newer manuals that call for filter changes ever other OC. My '03 Honda calls for that for regular service but says to change it ever OC for severe service if I recall correctly. I change it every OC anyway because I hate money and try to throw away as much as possible of it at every opportunity.
Wow - as I stated, I never have seen or heard of that.
But like you, I've got money to burn, so now alternating filter changes for me either
Sorry, but some old dogs aren't up for some new tricks
Scott
PS - thanks for that info, but the "Area 51" side of me thinks that if Honda is saying that, they're tired of reliable cars not bringing in $$$ to Honda dealers for broken engines and are trying to damage their cars to help them out
But like you, I've got money to burn, so now alternating filter changes for me either
Sorry, but some old dogs aren't up for some new tricks
Scott
PS - thanks for that info, but the "Area 51" side of me thinks that if Honda is saying that, they're tired of reliable cars not bringing in $$$ to Honda dealers for broken engines and are trying to damage their cars to help them out
I sort of/halfway/maybe-not-quite like that Area 51 reasoning, but do indeed change the filter every OC, the real reasoning of course being what I suggested to jhc: why not play it safe for $5?
Okay, let's deconstruct this generalized arrogance...
1) He stated he has a new Lexus...thus, the implication is that he has a warranty and must follow it. Your response that you don't care is pretty rediculous. Are you going to repair his engine if he fails to follow your cheapskate oil filter plan?
2) UOA is absolutely required when following your oil filter change schedule. How will you know if your reused filter scheme is filtering correctly without a UOA? An amateur visual inspection? The tooth fairy? What? Why not leave it on for four oil changes? Twelve? The "science" you're using to determine that the oil filter is still filtering is based upon nothing other than "two sounds good." You don't cite any posted examples here...you don't give us anything other than opinion and flippant answers.
3) We know that oil can go far beyond the 3K OCI based upon the numerous examples in posted UOA's here at BITOG. We don't know what impact leaving the oil filter on for multiple oil changes is since there are virtually no UOA's utilizing your scheme. What clear evidence are you citing for reusing your filter? Give us a link, give us some data!
4) "More cojecture?" What kind of reply is that? That's an opinion, not a reply based on any evidence. But since you seem to be full of opinions and slow on facts, let me clear it up for you: Oil = Limited resource. Oil Filters = Renewable manufactured part.
5) When the auto manufacturer requires a filter change at each oil change, it's not "recommended." You don't change your filter, you don't get recourse when you have an oil-related engine repair. What part of that don't you understand?
Look, I know there are a lot of blowhards here...but you've got almost 700 "opinions" in less than four months of posting. Maybe you like to hear yourself talk, maybe you need to get some friends. But don't tell a guy with an expensive new car that he doesn't need to follow the manufacturers required oil filter change schedule and then pick fights here with everyone who disagrees.
AutoUnion: You're in the minority on this one. Prove to us with evidence, like with what was done with the 3K OCI, that you are right. Leave your opinion and bring the facts!
BTW: "Common Sense" is not a scientific principle, so using it to justify an argument is silly.
If you can afford a Lexus, you can afford to use the best replacement parts, including fluids. I'd use the regular Mobil 1, 5w-30 and change it every 5000 miles. If nothing else using synthetic at this short interval will leave the engine spotlessly clean inside. This is key to maintaining "like new" engine performance over the life of the vehicle. In addition, if you drive this vehicle the way it was intended,
it's good to have some reserve capacity in your motor oil.
Filters are cheap enough that I'd put a new one on each time.
TS
Filters are cheap enough that I'd put a new one on each time.
TS
I think that with all the talk of UOAs here, we forget that the real point is that there is wear on any engine. I'd like to be measuring this in different cars with different OCIs and different oils/filters in a perfect world.
I'm not sold on this UOA as the panacea for all oil answers.
When I read of an engine - any engine - that fails or prematurely wore out due to over-changing of oil/filters, then I would seriously rethink my methodology.
Until then, I continue to read and digest all the info here - so many hours spent talking about oil? LMAO. My wife thinks I'm out of my mind.
Scott
I'm not sold on this UOA as the panacea for all oil answers.
When I read of an engine - any engine - that fails or prematurely wore out due to over-changing of oil/filters, then I would seriously rethink my methodology.
Until then, I continue to read and digest all the info here - so many hours spent talking about oil? LMAO. My wife thinks I'm out of my mind.
Scott
Wait a second...now I know remember why AutoUnion is up for an argument with me: He didn't like my "Oreck" joke about Pablo a week ago.
Touching...very touching.
Touching...very touching.
...still waiting for all the clogged 5000 miles filter pics or SOME sort of scientific reason(ing).
"If you can afford a Lexus, you can afford to use the best replacement parts, including fluids."
-tell that to the BMW and MB owners. They would as well be fine with 5000 miles OC.
Cougar, sorry, I don't argue with ~people~ but with ideas, something you don't seem to have.
"If you can afford a Lexus, you can afford to use the best replacement parts, including fluids."
-tell that to the BMW and MB owners. They would as well be fine with 5000 miles OC.
Cougar, sorry, I don't argue with ~people~ but with ideas, something you don't seem to have.
...still waiting for the pics/stories/links/studies on how changing oil/filters every 3/4/5k miles ruins an engine.
You don't seem to have what you want from us...
You don't seem to have what you want from us...
Well, that was another enlightened response from Auto Union. He pretends like he wants to have real, factual based conversations and then it's one-liners, vauge generalizations and little else.
I'm willing to bet 99% of the guys here who change their oil change their filter at the same time. Therefore, I think it's safe to say that this method is the BITOG SOP. If anyone wishes to change that (read: Auto Union), it's up to him to prove us wrong with facts, repeatable results, and documentation. That's exactly how the 3K OCI myth was dismantled...not by intuition or fuzzy feelings or anonymous opinion.
But by facts.
Prove us wrong, AU!
I'm willing to bet 99% of the guys here who change their oil change their filter at the same time. Therefore, I think it's safe to say that this method is the BITOG SOP. If anyone wishes to change that (read: Auto Union), it's up to him to prove us wrong with facts, repeatable results, and documentation. That's exactly how the 3K OCI myth was dismantled...not by intuition or fuzzy feelings or anonymous opinion.
But by facts.
Prove us wrong, AU!
I almost forgott I have been trying Mobil 7500 10W30 out on my 2003 Camry. I do not have a UOA of the Mobil 7500 yet as it is still in the car. I can say this though! The oil has resisted oxidation very well so far and looks almost new after about 3000 miles. It is also running very quite and smooth. Obviously these observations mean little but until I get a UOA on this fill I can not say more.
I liked Mobil 7500 in my Ranger...until it went up to $3+/quart and I couldn't buy it at Sprawlmart anymore.
O, man.
All I see is Mobil, Mobil, Mobil.
Hate to rain on your parade, but there is plenty of other great Synthetic oils readily available out there.
Mobil is NOT the best solution for all engines.
And definately won't protect any engine better than a quality dino over 5K miles, or a quality synthetic at longer intervals.
It had its time and build a huge fan base as can be seen on this thread but its time of being THE BEST synthetic oil is long gone.
Here are just some alternatives:
Pennzoil Platinum
Castrol Syntec GC (German Castrol)
Schaeffers 9000
All I see is Mobil, Mobil, Mobil.
Hate to rain on your parade, but there is plenty of other great Synthetic oils readily available out there.
Mobil is NOT the best solution for all engines.
And definately won't protect any engine better than a quality dino over 5K miles, or a quality synthetic at longer intervals.
It had its time and build a huge fan base as can be seen on this thread but its time of being THE BEST synthetic oil is long gone.
Here are just some alternatives:
Pennzoil Platinum
Castrol Syntec GC (German Castrol)
Schaeffers 9000
You guys are the ones saying there is a problem with not replacing the filter over short dino OCIs but offer not even a theory of why, yet alone proof. I've offered both, the theory of the fact mfgs do it and that you could just leave the filter on and NOT change the oil anyway as well as the proof that the filters are not clogged by 5000 miles on a newer car by the many cut-open filter pics that lack any deposits or "cloggage". I'm done with this thread until Larry and Curly get some advice from Moe.
Isn't there a misunderstanding here? I think all that's been argued against Auto-Union is that changing the filter every OC will not hurt the car. Surely that claim should not be so controversial. It has no bearing on whether the change is NECESSARY every OC, or whether changing it every other OC is bad for some reason or another. What exactly is the problem? As I said before, there may be no scientific reason to change it every OC, but that does not mean there is a scientific reason NOT to change it every OC. The distinction is not terribly subtle.
I agree with vad, too. My own preference is for Redline, but that seems to carry a whole bag of other controversies!
Incidentally, Moe is reclining on a therapist's couch watching Larry shave Curly's head and stuff the hair into an oil filter in a madcap attempt to prove ALL of us wrong.
I agree with vad, too. My own preference is for Redline, but that seems to carry a whole bag of other controversies!
Incidentally, Moe is reclining on a therapist's couch watching Larry shave Curly's head and stuff the hair into an oil filter in a madcap attempt to prove ALL of us wrong.
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