Oil Filter relocation
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Originally Posted By: troyb43
...use a better filter for extended oil changes. Anyone have any thoughts, experience or suggestions?
Better than what? What are you now using? If you're currently using a 'Designed, engineered and recommended by Ford Motor Company' oil filter (likely an FL-910), you're good for 7-8K OCIs. Define what you mean by "...extended oil changes."
...use a better filter for extended oil changes. Anyone have any thoughts, experience or suggestions?
Better than what? What are you now using? If you're currently using a 'Designed, engineered and recommended by Ford Motor Company' oil filter (likely an FL-910), you're good for 7-8K OCIs. Define what you mean by "...extended oil changes."
if you're looking to use an oversized filter, i used a purolator 20195 on my fiancee's 2008 focus with no issues. my guess is you're worried about the filter being too close to the ground? even with a filter about 2 inches longer than stock on mine i still feel like there is plenty of clearance down there
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Originally Posted By: troyb43
I have a 2009 Ford Focus with a 2.0 engine. I was thinking about oil filter relocation in order to have it in a better location and also use a better filter for extended oil changes. Anyone have any thoughts, experience or suggestions?
I have no idea where you would put it on your setup, but the Spetre 5971 relocation kit on Amazon is a decent deal. It's got lots of hardware included and an evacuation pump that's just as useful for adding fluid to transmission/differentials etc.
As far as extended drains ..without a dedicated filter designed with added holding capacity, the service will dictate the filter's ability to work. The longer the mileage over a span of time the lower the insoluble production due to fuel enrichment as measured per mile. It basically comes down to hollow(er) miles in between warm up events.
I have a 2009 Ford Focus with a 2.0 engine. I was thinking about oil filter relocation in order to have it in a better location and also use a better filter for extended oil changes. Anyone have any thoughts, experience or suggestions?
I have no idea where you would put it on your setup, but the Spetre 5971 relocation kit on Amazon is a decent deal. It's got lots of hardware included and an evacuation pump that's just as useful for adding fluid to transmission/differentials etc.
As far as extended drains ..without a dedicated filter designed with added holding capacity, the service will dictate the filter's ability to work. The longer the mileage over a span of time the lower the insoluble production due to fuel enrichment as measured per mile. It basically comes down to hollow(er) miles in between warm up events.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
As far as extended drains ..without a dedicated filter designed with added holding capacity, the service will dictate the filter's ability to work. The longer the mileage over a span of time the lower the insoluble production due to fuel enrichment as measured per mile. It basically comes down to hollow(er) miles in between warm up events.
So in layman's terms, what does that last sentence mean?
As far as extended drains ..without a dedicated filter designed with added holding capacity, the service will dictate the filter's ability to work. The longer the mileage over a span of time the lower the insoluble production due to fuel enrichment as measured per mile. It basically comes down to hollow(er) miles in between warm up events.
So in layman's terms, what does that last sentence mean?
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
As far as extended drains ..without a dedicated filter designed with added holding capacity, the service will dictate the filter's ability to work. The longer the mileage over a span of time the lower the insoluble production due to fuel enrichment as measured per mile. It basically comes down to hollow(er) miles in between warm up events.
So in layman's terms, what does that last sentence mean?
A filter has a given holding capacity in grams. Your engine produces insolubles at a much higher rate during fuel enrichment.
You and a neighbor. Same car. Both daily drivers. He goes 10miles one way to work. You go 20. He's out of fuel enrichment @ 5 miles ..so are you. You, however, have 15 miles at a radically lower rate of insoluble production ..while he only has 5. He will load his filter (basically =2 loading events per day) at the same rate that you do. What he won't have is 20 more mostly hollow miles on the filter per day
That's why saying/asking "will xxx filter last 15k" is an improperly loaded question. It will last 15k if there are enough hollow miles involved. This usually equates to a mileage over a given time span ..which is the basis for your miles/time non-OLM recommendations. IF the properties of the engine are such that the insoluble production is so low out of fuel enrichment, the OEM may say "every other" oci for a filter change IF mileage dictates the oil change interval. Like 7500/6months. There YOU DO get an OEM spec'd filter to last 15k since 15k is filled with MANY invisible miles.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
As far as extended drains ..without a dedicated filter designed with added holding capacity, the service will dictate the filter's ability to work. The longer the mileage over a span of time the lower the insoluble production due to fuel enrichment as measured per mile. It basically comes down to hollow(er) miles in between warm up events.
So in layman's terms, what does that last sentence mean?
A filter has a given holding capacity in grams. Your engine produces insolubles at a much higher rate during fuel enrichment.
You and a neighbor. Same car. Both daily drivers. He goes 10miles one way to work. You go 20. He's out of fuel enrichment @ 5 miles ..so are you. You, however, have 15 miles at a radically lower rate of insoluble production ..while he only has 5. He will load his filter (basically =2 loading events per day) at the same rate that you do. What he won't have is 20 more mostly hollow miles on the filter per day
That's why saying/asking "will xxx filter last 15k" is an improperly loaded question. It will last 15k if there are enough hollow miles involved. This usually equates to a mileage over a given time span ..which is the basis for your miles/time non-OLM recommendations. IF the properties of the engine are such that the insoluble production is so low out of fuel enrichment, the OEM may say "every other" oci for a filter change IF mileage dictates the oil change interval. Like 7500/6months. There YOU DO get an OEM spec'd filter to last 15k since 15k is filled with MANY invisible miles.
Can a car equipped with a cartridge filter be set up for a canister filter? Or use both? Just wondering.
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I imagine it depends. Some cartridge filters are adapted from spin-on installations. This is very likely if the filter is in an inconvenient location. All redesigned engines appear to have the filter at an easy access point and have the filter cavity integrated into the engine block.
Thanks Gary, so if the filter cavity is integrated into the block would it be safe to say the owner of the vehicle would be stuck with that setup? Then a dual filter setup or moving it to the firewall for the sake or agrument would be out of the question? Or would it still depend on the engine?
About longer drain intervals...look at the used oil analyses for long ODI and any sign that the filter is passing solids. You probably won't find any. Even after the oil is done due to oxidation or additive depletion, the insolubles are just about always still within the allowable range. The one thing that does kill cheaper filters is that the nitrile rubber gasket and ADBV can't handle the heat over many, many months. Silicone rubber parts eliminates that problem.
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