Oil at 400 degrees
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Means nothing...we have no way to prove they actually used Castrol or BMW oil....Back yard science the the BBQ oil smoke studies here from 2004...
Nice music though...
Nice music though...
What's the problem is tar not a lubricant?
Just loved seeing it boil like that and how black it turned very quickly. Nice techno I agree.
Didn't Mobil 1 have similar TV adds with frying pans back in early 90's?
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Didn't Mobil 1 have similar TV adds with frying pans back in early 90's?
Didn't Mobil 1 have similar TV adds with frying pans back in early 90's?
Since when does an engine get anywhere near 400 degrees? When it is melting?
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I'll put the test results for this right next to the ones for the one arm bandit in the basement....
Originally Posted By: SuperDave456
Since when does an engine get anywhere near 400 degrees? When it is melting?
The oil can be subject to temperatures between 300 and 400 in various places in the engine, such as below the top piston ring.
Since when does an engine get anywhere near 400 degrees? When it is melting?
The oil can be subject to temperatures between 300 and 400 in various places in the engine, such as below the top piston ring.
I'm no Castrol fan. Wont use it in any Flavor. This video confirms something I've suspected about Castrol products for some time. That the volatility/flashing of Castrol products results in varnish, carbon, and sludge buildup with extended use.
On a several forums I'm a member of engines with high mileage (200-300k) are burning oil and being torn down for suspected mechanical problems. On a Toyota forum all that is found are hardened deposits consisting of varnish and flashed oil blocking piston oil returns, rings, etc. I ask every time what oil was used. Usually Castrol GTX and the most recent was Castrol Syntec. In the recent teardown @318k it was the same engine as my camry. Castrol Syntec was used most of its life @5k intervals. Was a highway car which ran 200 miles a day so heat was definitely a variable. Upon teardown there were no mechanical problems, just varnish and hardened carbon blocking piston oil holes. Pictures show a clean but heavily varnished (IMO) engine. Same with the 98-02 Corollas. Clogged piston holes is all thats wrong with all the oil burners in these years. 50+% of them ran Castrol gtx for extended periods.
Oil temperature readings do not reflect actual engine surface temperatures which can be much higher than the temperature of the oil. Engine blocks and heads cast in aluminum are prone to hotspots which can fry oils with low resistance to temperature.
Its not that the oil boils, its what the oil does when it boils. When it gets hot. The black stuff in the video. The base oils get nasty when they flash and stick to the engine. Even if they don't flash the heat turns Castrol into a deposit filled brew as shown in that video. So while people don't notice anything, looks good, clean dipstick, all is not well, and over time the oil burning will be accounted to an old engine, not a lousy oil.
I know this is controversial and cant be proved easily, but I tried to give info to plead my case. Tell me why I'm wrong, and should reconsider using Castrol anything.
On a several forums I'm a member of engines with high mileage (200-300k) are burning oil and being torn down for suspected mechanical problems. On a Toyota forum all that is found are hardened deposits consisting of varnish and flashed oil blocking piston oil returns, rings, etc. I ask every time what oil was used. Usually Castrol GTX and the most recent was Castrol Syntec. In the recent teardown @318k it was the same engine as my camry. Castrol Syntec was used most of its life @5k intervals. Was a highway car which ran 200 miles a day so heat was definitely a variable. Upon teardown there were no mechanical problems, just varnish and hardened carbon blocking piston oil holes. Pictures show a clean but heavily varnished (IMO) engine. Same with the 98-02 Corollas. Clogged piston holes is all thats wrong with all the oil burners in these years. 50+% of them ran Castrol gtx for extended periods.
Oil temperature readings do not reflect actual engine surface temperatures which can be much higher than the temperature of the oil. Engine blocks and heads cast in aluminum are prone to hotspots which can fry oils with low resistance to temperature.
Its not that the oil boils, its what the oil does when it boils. When it gets hot. The black stuff in the video. The base oils get nasty when they flash and stick to the engine. Even if they don't flash the heat turns Castrol into a deposit filled brew as shown in that video. So while people don't notice anything, looks good, clean dipstick, all is not well, and over time the oil burning will be accounted to an old engine, not a lousy oil.
I know this is controversial and cant be proved easily, but I tried to give info to plead my case. Tell me why I'm wrong, and should reconsider using Castrol anything.
Toyota engine is famous for sludge and deposit built up in the 90s not just from GTX but from all dino oils. In the 90s they have to replace sludged engine for free. The engine is running hot and return passage is to small. They once recommend synthetic oil the the camery V6 engine. The Corolla I4 doesn't have deposit problem at all. During the recent time belt change, I peek through cam compartmant, it is clean as new. In my I4 camry, there is a heavy coat of deposit enen at 3K OCI using dino oil. The recent Toyota engine is totally different. They began to recommed 0W20 $ 5W20 and 10K OCI. I use PU recently on all my vehicles and get good result.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
I'm no Castrol fan. Wont use it in any Flavor. This video confirms something I've suspected about Castrol products for some time. That the volatility/flashing of Castrol products results in varnish, carbon, and sludge buildup with extended use.
Video confirmed the opposite. Compared with the other very high quality oil (BMW LL04) tested, the Castrol Edge had far less carbon build up. Talk about "confirmation bias", please watch it again.
Not that I'd give that video any credence anyway. No actual temperature measurements so we have no way to even confirm that the temperatures in the two flasks were equal. Also I love how they soooo carefully show use the sealed unopened bottles they're pouring from, but then conveniently take each flask completely out of camera shot making the whole point completely moot. And what the heck is going on with the seemingly pointless switching of the heaters at the last minute? Very strange. Personally I thought the one on the left was the hotter than the one on the right because it seemed to heat up quicker. Definitely wouldn't put too much trust in those results.
I'm no Castrol fan. Wont use it in any Flavor. This video confirms something I've suspected about Castrol products for some time. That the volatility/flashing of Castrol products results in varnish, carbon, and sludge buildup with extended use.
Video confirmed the opposite. Compared with the other very high quality oil (BMW LL04) tested, the Castrol Edge had far less carbon build up. Talk about "confirmation bias", please watch it again.
Not that I'd give that video any credence anyway. No actual temperature measurements so we have no way to even confirm that the temperatures in the two flasks were equal. Also I love how they soooo carefully show use the sealed unopened bottles they're pouring from, but then conveniently take each flask completely out of camera shot making the whole point completely moot. And what the heck is going on with the seemingly pointless switching of the heaters at the last minute? Very strange. Personally I thought the one on the left was the hotter than the one on the right because it seemed to heat up quicker. Definitely wouldn't put too much trust in those results.
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Originally Posted By: uart
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
I'm no Castrol fan. Wont use it in any Flavor. This video confirms something I've suspected about Castrol products for some time. That the volatility/flashing of Castrol products results in varnish, carbon, and sludge buildup with extended use.
Video confirmed the opposite. Compared with the other very high quality oil (BMW LL04) tested, the Castrol Edge had far less carbon build up. Talk about "confirmation bias", please watch it again.
Not that I'd give that video any credence anyway. No actual temperature measurements so we have no way to even confirm that the temperatures in the two flasks were equal. Also I love how they soooo carefully show use the sealed unopened bottles they're pouring from, but then conveniently take each flask completely out of camera shot making the whole point completely moot. And what the heck is going on with the seemingly pointless switching of the heaters at the last minute? Very strange. Personally I thought the one on the left was the hotter than the one on the right because it seemed to heat up quicker. Definitely wouldn't put too much trust in those results.
The BMW oil is also made by Castrol.
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
I'm no Castrol fan. Wont use it in any Flavor. This video confirms something I've suspected about Castrol products for some time. That the volatility/flashing of Castrol products results in varnish, carbon, and sludge buildup with extended use.
Video confirmed the opposite. Compared with the other very high quality oil (BMW LL04) tested, the Castrol Edge had far less carbon build up. Talk about "confirmation bias", please watch it again.
Not that I'd give that video any credence anyway. No actual temperature measurements so we have no way to even confirm that the temperatures in the two flasks were equal. Also I love how they soooo carefully show use the sealed unopened bottles they're pouring from, but then conveniently take each flask completely out of camera shot making the whole point completely moot. And what the heck is going on with the seemingly pointless switching of the heaters at the last minute? Very strange. Personally I thought the one on the left was the hotter than the one on the right because it seemed to heat up quicker. Definitely wouldn't put too much trust in those results.
The BMW oil is also made by Castrol.
Originally Posted By: Maxima97
The Corolla I4 doesn't have deposit problem at all.
Yes, it does. 98-03 models.
The Corolla I4 doesn't have deposit problem at all.
Yes, it does. 98-03 models.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: Maxima97
The Corolla I4 doesn't have deposit problem at all.
Yes, it does. 98-03 models.
I used to have a 2001 chevy prizm lsi, used dino in summer and syn in winter and non deposit. They are timing chained so a bit noiser than previous my 93. My wife totaled it before that running excellent. Since it is a chained engine, I never open it and just peek through filling hole.
Originally Posted By: Maxima97
The Corolla I4 doesn't have deposit problem at all.
Yes, it does. 98-03 models.
I used to have a 2001 chevy prizm lsi, used dino in summer and syn in winter and non deposit. They are timing chained so a bit noiser than previous my 93. My wife totaled it before that running excellent. Since it is a chained engine, I never open it and just peek through filling hole.
Previous discussion on this subject:
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2733608&page=1
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2733608&page=1
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: uart
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
I'm no Castrol fan. Wont use it in any Flavor. This video confirms something I've suspected about Castrol products for some time. That the volatility/flashing of Castrol products results in varnish, carbon, and sludge buildup with extended use.
Video confirmed the opposite. Compared with the other very high quality oil (BMW LL04) tested, the Castrol Edge had far less carbon build up. Talk about "confirmation bias", please watch it again.
Not that I'd give that video any credence anyway. No actual temperature measurements so we have no way to even confirm that the temperatures in the two flasks were equal. Also I love how they soooo carefully show use the sealed unopened bottles they're pouring from, but then conveniently take each flask completely out of camera shot making the whole point completely moot. And what the heck is going on with the seemingly pointless switching of the heaters at the last minute? Very strange. Personally I thought the one on the left was the hotter than the one on the right because it seemed to heat up quicker. Definitely wouldn't put too much trust in those results.
The BMW oil is also made by Castrol.
It still doesn't make it a fair comparison for the basis of trashing Castrol oils though. How can Leakseals come to that conclusion without anything else to compare it to (at least not in this video anyway). Take a look at the link to the Russian site posted above. Castrol oils don't fair all that badly. Better in general than many of the Shell Helix ones shown. Not that this test necessarily means that much, even if it was conducted properly.
Originally Posted By: uart
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
I'm no Castrol fan. Wont use it in any Flavor. This video confirms something I've suspected about Castrol products for some time. That the volatility/flashing of Castrol products results in varnish, carbon, and sludge buildup with extended use.
Video confirmed the opposite. Compared with the other very high quality oil (BMW LL04) tested, the Castrol Edge had far less carbon build up. Talk about "confirmation bias", please watch it again.
Not that I'd give that video any credence anyway. No actual temperature measurements so we have no way to even confirm that the temperatures in the two flasks were equal. Also I love how they soooo carefully show use the sealed unopened bottles they're pouring from, but then conveniently take each flask completely out of camera shot making the whole point completely moot. And what the heck is going on with the seemingly pointless switching of the heaters at the last minute? Very strange. Personally I thought the one on the left was the hotter than the one on the right because it seemed to heat up quicker. Definitely wouldn't put too much trust in those results.
The BMW oil is also made by Castrol.
It still doesn't make it a fair comparison for the basis of trashing Castrol oils though. How can Leakseals come to that conclusion without anything else to compare it to (at least not in this video anyway). Take a look at the link to the Russian site posted above. Castrol oils don't fair all that badly. Better in general than many of the Shell Helix ones shown. Not that this test necessarily means that much, even if it was conducted properly.
Originally Posted By: uart
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: uart
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
I'm no Castrol fan. Wont use it in any Flavor. This video confirms something I've suspected about Castrol products for some time. That the volatility/flashing of Castrol products results in varnish, carbon, and sludge buildup with extended use.
Video confirmed the opposite. Compared with the other very high quality oil (BMW LL04) tested, the Castrol Edge had far less carbon build up. Talk about "confirmation bias", please watch it again.
Not that I'd give that video any credence anyway. No actual temperature measurements so we have no way to even confirm that the temperatures in the two flasks were equal. Also I love how they soooo carefully show use the sealed unopened bottles they're pouring from, but then conveniently take each flask completely out of camera shot making the whole point completely moot. And what the heck is going on with the seemingly pointless switching of the heaters at the last minute? Very strange. Personally I thought the one on the left was the hotter than the one on the right because it seemed to heat up quicker. Definitely wouldn't put too much trust in those results.
The BMW oil is also made by Castrol.
It still doesn't make it a fair comparison for the basis of trashing Castrol oils though. How can Leakseals come to that conclusion without anything else to compare it to (at least not in this video anyway). Take a look at the link to the Russian site posted above. Castrol oils don't fair all that badly. Better in general than many of the Shell Helix ones shown. Not that this test necessarily means that much, even if it was conducted properly.
Take the video out of the equation then. I stick by what I said. I do not feel Castrol products fair well in high heat applications. All your doing is shooting holes through other peoples heavy lifting. Need some info from you now. Whats your opinion of Castrol products and why? What oil do you use? No signature.
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: uart
Originally Posted By: LeakySeals
I'm no Castrol fan. Wont use it in any Flavor. This video confirms something I've suspected about Castrol products for some time. That the volatility/flashing of Castrol products results in varnish, carbon, and sludge buildup with extended use.
Video confirmed the opposite. Compared with the other very high quality oil (BMW LL04) tested, the Castrol Edge had far less carbon build up. Talk about "confirmation bias", please watch it again.
Not that I'd give that video any credence anyway. No actual temperature measurements so we have no way to even confirm that the temperatures in the two flasks were equal. Also I love how they soooo carefully show use the sealed unopened bottles they're pouring from, but then conveniently take each flask completely out of camera shot making the whole point completely moot. And what the heck is going on with the seemingly pointless switching of the heaters at the last minute? Very strange. Personally I thought the one on the left was the hotter than the one on the right because it seemed to heat up quicker. Definitely wouldn't put too much trust in those results.
The BMW oil is also made by Castrol.
It still doesn't make it a fair comparison for the basis of trashing Castrol oils though. How can Leakseals come to that conclusion without anything else to compare it to (at least not in this video anyway). Take a look at the link to the Russian site posted above. Castrol oils don't fair all that badly. Better in general than many of the Shell Helix ones shown. Not that this test necessarily means that much, even if it was conducted properly.
Take the video out of the equation then. I stick by what I said. I do not feel Castrol products fair well in high heat applications. All your doing is shooting holes through other peoples heavy lifting. Need some info from you now. Whats your opinion of Castrol products and why? What oil do you use? No signature.
Originally Posted By: uart
Take a look at the link to the Russian site posted above.
Compare what Castrol sells in the US to what they sell in Russia. In fact, make the same comparison for all the oils in that link.
Disclaimer: I haven't done that, but I may do so later if I have time. I'm pretty sure of what I'll find when I do, though.
Take a look at the link to the Russian site posted above.
Compare what Castrol sells in the US to what they sell in Russia. In fact, make the same comparison for all the oils in that link.
Disclaimer: I haven't done that, but I may do so later if I have time. I'm pretty sure of what I'll find when I do, though.
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