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PLEASE do not hijack my thread. This is just a general question!!!! Do debating needed!

I am looking into using Oil Analyzers, Inc for my future UOA's do to the cheaper price, compared to Blackstone. Their website is not too informative, or I am too dumb to click the right thing...

Anyhow, does Amsoil own them? And it seems that their UOA information might be more accurate/better than Blackstone (By reading posts/comments regarding the two here). Any REAL information is greatly appreciated!
 
I think they do more tests for the money, but I don't think their tests are any more accurate.

I'm pretty sure Amsoil owns them.
 
Not sure why anyone would purposely hijack your thread, but like any thread, it could be prone to drift.

What do you need to know? The site is OK if there is some detail you need, I might be able to answer or get you an answer. I like their prices, now I do it without 2 way shipping and ship it back for $4.85 Priority Mail - the 4-5 days later results. NOW I know where the delay was - slow poke mail.

Amsoil owns Analyzers Inc. But I am not sure Amsoil owns OR contracts with the satellite labs. I send mine to Utah for example.

It IS more accurate than Blackstone, not quite the same amount of drift/error on the larger additives.....maybe the same on lower lever wear metals. (noise range).
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Do they work exclusively with Amsoil or will they do other brand also, say for a small fleet using another product?


Any brand. Does not matter.
 
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Not sure why anyone would purposely hijack your thread, but like any thread, it could be prone to drift.


Because I did not want it to turn into Everything vs. Amsoil or Blackstone vs. Oil Analyzers. Like many, many threads tend to do around here.

Originally Posted By: Pablo
What do you need to know? The site is OK if there is some detail you need, I might be able to answer or get you an answer. I like their prices, now I do it without 2 way shipping and ship it back for $4.85 Priority Mail - the 4-5 days later results. NOW I know where the delay was - slow poke mail.


Well, I was confused on how to order a test kit. Are they prepaid with shipping both directions? Or...

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Amsoil owns Analyzers Inc. But I am not sure Amsoil owns OR contracts with the satellite labs. I send mine to Utah for example.


10-4

Originally Posted By: Pablo
It IS more accurate than Blackstone, not quite the same amount of drift/error on the larger additives.....maybe the same on lower lever wear metals. (noise range).


10-4
 
Hi,
Pablo - You said this:
"It IS more accurate than Blackstone, not quite the same amount of drift/error on the larger additives.....maybe the same on lower lever wear metals. (noise range)."

Any constructive data such as side by side same lubricant tests to back it up?
 
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Pablo - You said this:
"It IS more accurate than Blackstone, not quite the same amount of drift/error on the larger additives.....maybe the same on lower lever wear metals. (noise range)."

Any constructive data such as side by side same lubricant tests to back it up?


Yes sir. Look at the VOA's here.
 
Originally Posted By: 04SE


Well, I was confused on how to order a test kit. Are they prepaid with shipping both directions? Or...


You can do it either way. Here the Sample Kit Link

It's super easy for me to Priority Mail labels with my business, and ends up costing less too - and like I said much faster - like a week faster.
 
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Pablo - Please provide Links so that we can all appraise them - thanks


Sounds like we are just getting talk from pablo and not proof.
 
Originally Posted By: postjeeprcr
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Pablo - Please provide Links so that we can all appraise them - thanks


Sounds like we are just getting talk from pablo and not proof.


The OP specifically asked that his thread not be hijacked. I was trying to respect his wishes and answer his questions which I did.

Doug does this stuff to prove a point or something, he has no interest in actually searching. It took me less than a minute to come up with a big bunch of hits in the VOA section. Just like I said. Here are a couple:

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1593890

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/brad-penn-10-30w-racing-oil.79501/

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1436473

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1479868

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1370816
 
Hi,
Pablo - No hijack intended

IMHE it is very difficult to evaluate the quality of the results from Labs doing UOA. It is especially difficult when they are "general" Labs that do a lot of UOAs on lubricanst from various sources

I have found that Oil Company Labs are extremely good in evaluating their own products. They are (usually) up to date with their own product formulation changes and etc. They are sometimes a little lost when UOAs are conducted on other Companies lubricants. Even Oil Co. Labs do make errors too

If I was using an Amsoil product I would no doubt use Oil Analyzers Inc to do my UOAs

Pablo - when statements are made they should be able to be backed up - out of interest I'll check those Links you have provided

Replication of UOAs one Lab to another have a very high level of "inaccuracy". IMO whilst some of [censored] comments are "amusing" their numbers seem quite good to me in an overall sense!
 
Oil Analyzers, Inc. is marketed as a subsidiary of Amsoil, Inc.

However, the laboratory physical addresses for Oil Analyzers, Inc., AND Polaris Laboratories ARE THE EXACT SAME, e.g. Indianapolis, Houston, Salt Lake City, Edmonton.

The UOA report format for Polaris Laboratories and Oil Analyzers, Inc., IS THE EXACT SAME.

Oil Analyzers, Inc. uses Horizon, which is Polaris Labs data management reporting application for retrieving customer UOA reports.

Basically, Oil Analyzers , Inc., contracts with Polaris Laboratories which is no secret and Amsoil, Inc. won't deny if asked.

Polaris Laboratories = ISO 17025 A2LA accreditation.

Thus,

Oil Analyzers , Inc. = ISO 17025 A2LA accreditation.

I agree that the Oil Analyzers, Inc. website is not too informative. So if you want to know more about the testing, go to http://www.polarislabs1.com/
 
I've found that elemental analysis varies by the machinery used.

Blackstone occasionally has odd additive readings for something like moly.

Out of a 4 lab comparison I ended up with 2 pairs of like data that tended to contour each other.

Out of a 3 lab comparison (two of the former agreeing labs not used) all three (Analyst, Blackstone, and Oil Analyzers) all agreed with each other within a very narrow range.

In the case of Oil Analyzers... where they offer an advantage testing Amsoil over other oils is that they know the VOA for oxidation and nitration ..TBN/TAN ..etc...so they're more informed when something is to be flagged ABNORMAL.
 
Hi,
Gary - You make similar points to me. Oil Company Labs are really the best at checking their own products (VOAs and UOAs)- not always perfect but the best IMO

Replication variables with UOAs can be very high - it depends on the equipment and the Operator of it - and the "interpreter" too

Trending using the same Lab is always the best IMO. The censored part of my previous Post was of course Blackstone

The OP referred to UOAs
 
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Originally Posted By: CompSyn
Oil Analyzers, Inc. is marketed as a subsidiary of Amsoil, Inc.

However, the laboratory physical addresses for Oil Analyzers, Inc., AND Polaris Laboratories ARE THE EXACT SAME, e.g. Indianapolis, Houston, Salt Lake City, Edmonton.

The UOA report format for Polaris Laboratories and Oil Analyzers, Inc., IS THE EXACT SAME.

Oil Analyzers, Inc. uses Horizon, which is Polaris Labs data management reporting application for retrieving customer UOA reports.

Basically, Oil Analyzers , Inc., contracts with Polaris Laboratories which is no secret and Amsoil, Inc. won't deny if asked.

Polaris Laboratories = ISO 17025 A2LA accreditation.

Thus,

Oil Analyzers , Inc. = ISO 17025 A2LA accreditation.

I agree that the Oil Analyzers, Inc. website is not too informative. So if you want to know more about the testing, go to http://www.polarislabs1.com/


I wanted to go with Oil Analyzers or just directly with Polaris Labs for UOA. I think they are the same price, not sure. What I don't get is neither one says they offer TAN for UOA but they do offer TAN for non-engine oil. I wanted to get TAN, and I don't get why they don't offer TAN for UOA.
 
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan


Blackstone occasionally has odd additive readings for something like moly.


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It IS more accurate than Blackstone, not quite the same amount of drift/error on the larger additives.....maybe the same on lower level (not lever) wear metals. (noise range).


That's what I'm saying....the problem is, at some point the oddities started to get a bit frequent in UOA's AND VOA's. A bit easier to spot and find in a search in the VOA section, that's why I used VOA's as a requested example - not sure why I have to explain my statement or why I used VOA's, but there it is!

Also IF you read what I wrote.....the 20-15-5-X ppm wear levels (noise) seem to, indeed, contour each other between labs.
 
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