Oh Gawd - ANOTHER MMO thread

[HackNutz]

So, has anyone used MMO in a race vehicle regularly?

I use MMO in my old worn out 94 Chevy truck to quiet the lifters. When the lifters get noisy and power drops off, I add MMO and all is well within 20 miles. It works [censored] good. And I won't go without it.

I have a 1980 Suzuki GS750 motor in my racing sidecar. These motors have a history of galling the cams. So, over a few beers, it occurred to me that if it penetrates that well in the old Shovey, maybe I should use it in my race motor to help prevent cam galling.

Thoughts?

 

[spasm3]

It thins the oil, i'd think twice about it.

 

[FXjohn]

what if you just did a whole oil change with MMO and let it run a few minutes every day for a couple weeks and then changed back to regular oil? should be clean as a whistle

 

[expat]

The Chevy has hydraulic lifters, that could get plugged an need cleaning.
The Suzuki (I imagine) doesn't.

I was pleased with the results of using MMO the one time I used it, but there is nothing MYSTERIOUS about it, it is not a "Wonder Lubricant" that cures everything.

If the engine has a reputation of galling Cams, I sure there are lubricant recommendations that WILL work with that engine.

Do your homework, don't play Russian Roulette with additives in your engine.

 

[Donald]

MMO works best when left on the shelves at Walmart.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Donald
MMO works best when left on the shelves at Walmart.



LOL Every time I read that comment from you, which is quite often, I laugh. MMO didn't work for any of the members posting positive results, it's all in their heads.

 

[jfking106]

Originally Posted By: HackNutz
So, has anyone used MMO in a race vehicle regularly?

I use MMO in my old worn out 94 Chevy truck to quiet the lifters. When the lifters get noisy and power drops off, I add MMO and all is well within 20 miles. It works [censored] good. And I won't go without it.

I have a 1980 Suzuki GS750 motor in my racing sidecar. These motors have a history of galling the cams. So, over a few beers, it occurred to me that if it penetrates that well in the old Shovey, maybe I should use it in my race motor to help prevent cam galling.

Thoughts?



Better than another thread about printing machine cleaner (AutoRX.)

 

[Clevy]

As far as cam galling I assume you want more film strength. I don't feel mmo will help in that regard.
You want a can of mos2. Problem solved.
Or use red line oil exclusively at 5000-6000 mile intervals. Yes it's gonna cost you but would you rather spend a little more now or alot later. If the issue is known then I would get in front of it with an oil that is known to be the absolute top of the game.
I feel red line oils are overkill in daily driver however overkill is what you need. They have extremely high additive levels but if its an oil burner your cats may suffer.
But again you need to weigh out the pros and cons and decide which is the lesser and greater evil. Your wallet should decide this one

 

[HackNutz]

Originally Posted By: Clevy
As far as cam galling I assume you want more film strength. I don't feel mmo will help in that regard.
You want a can of mos2. Problem solved.
Or use red line oil exclusively at 5000-6000 mile intervals. Yes it's gonna cost you but would you rather spend a little more now or alot later. If the issue is known then I would get in front of it with an oil that is known to be the absolute top of the game.
I feel red line oils are overkill in daily driver however overkill is what you need. They have extremely high additive levels but if its an oil burner your cats may suffer.
But again you need to weigh out the pros and cons and decide which is the lesser and greater evil. Your wallet should decide this one


This bike has a wet clutch so using Moly is out of the question. Good suggestion though. I'll go research Red Line oils.

Thanks everybody - I'll keep you posted.

 

[Mystic]

I get so sick and tired of hearing somebody make some smart aleck remark such as 'MMO works best when left on the shelf.' Where exactly is your proof of that? The people who like MMO may not have proof that it works, but the vast majority of people here who have tried MMO seem to have gotten something in the way of positive results. And we keep waiting to see evidence of MMO destroying engines and that evidence never comes.

Meanwhile some of the people who put down MMO or Kreen or whatever sure seem to be willing to promote some other product without any proof that the product they are promoting works.

I personally have not used MMO all that much. I use it in my lawnmower and I have used it in the gas of my car. I saw my father decades ago use it in one or two car engines. The one thing I know about MMO is that most of the people who have tried it here and talked about their experiences say that it worked for them. I have heard only a few negative experiences. Yes we are talking about personal experience and not MIT or Cal Tech running intensive and extensive lab tests. Guess what? We are probably never going to get some sort of elaborate lab testing for any of these products, regardless if you are talking about Auto-RX Plus, Kreen, MMO, or anything else in the way of engine cleaners and oil supplements.

I have a suggestion. I realize this is a suggestion coming out of 'fly over' country but here goes anyway. The people who love Auto-RX Plus can have their threads where they talk about how wonderful Auto-RX Plus is and the great things it did for their engines, etc. And the people who want to talk about MMO or Kreen or whatever can have their threads where they talk about their products. People should be allowed here to talk about their positive experiences with a product without being attacked, especially personally. But it order to have a discussion if anybody has had any true negative experiences with a product we need that too because we have to have both sides in order to have a discussion. But everybody needs to be truthful, civil (no personal attacks), and polite to everybody else here, even me. That is the only way we are going to find out if a product is useful or not, because when it comes to most if not all of these products all we have are personal experiences, maybe compression testing, and maybe before and after photographs.

 

[Trav]

Originally Posted By: HackNutz
Originally Posted By: Clevy
As far as cam galling I assume you want more film strength. I don't feel mmo will help in that regard.
You want a can of mos2. Problem solved.
Or use red line oil exclusively at 5000-6000 mile intervals. Yes it's gonna cost you but would you rather spend a little more now or alot later. If the issue is known then I would get in front of it with an oil that is known to be the absolute top of the game.
I feel red line oils are overkill in daily driver however overkill is what you need. They have extremely high additive levels but if its an oil burner your cats may suffer.
But again you need to weigh out the pros and cons and decide which is the lesser and greater evil. Your wallet should decide this one


This bike has a wet clutch so using Moly is out of the question. Good suggestion though. I'll go research Red Line oils.

Thanks everybody - I'll keep you posted.


No it means you need to reduce the dose. to 2% maximum.
Per LiquiMoly

Motorenöl. Bei Motorrädern mit Nasskupplung maximal 2% der Ölfüllmenge beigeben.

Edit: I used this in the 80's in a VF1100c without any clutch issues for over 100K

.

 

[demarpaint]

Mystic-This is really getting old isn't it? This has been said time and time again, and again, and again..............

 

[Donald]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Donald
MMO works best when left on the shelves at Walmart.



LOL Every time I read that comment from you, which is quite often, I laugh. MMO didn't work for any of the members posting positive results, it's all in their heads.


Thanks. I do try and vary my responses to keep it interesting.. Consider two things: 1) how many things to do with engine lubrication have not significantly changed in the past 10 or 20 years, 2)I posted lab results that show the MMO hurts the lubricity of oil. '

A lot of things to do with engines are subjective.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: Donald
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: Donald
MMO works best when left on the shelves at Walmart.



LOL Every time I read that comment from you, which is quite often, I laugh. MMO didn't work for any of the members posting positive results, it's all in their heads.


Thanks. I do try and vary my responses to keep it interesting.. Consider two things: 1) how many things to do with engine lubrication have not significantly changed in the past 10 or 20 years, 2)I posted lab results that show the MMO hurts the lubricity of oil. '

A lot of things to do with engines are subjective.


I thought you'd appreciate that. I'd try and change it up a bit though because it is really getting old, and they don't vary much at all.

As far as your lubricity comments UOA reports beg to differ from what I've read, you can search for yourself. We know TBN takes a hit, but then only a fool would extend an OCI when he's trying to clean an engine.

Let me ask you a question. Since these attacks seem to come when things are quiet, and from the same people, are sales slow for your favorite engine cleaning product?

 

[46Harry]

I've used MMO since I started driving in 1962 in my cars and in my Peterbilt with a Cat 3406 engine. When the injectors in the Cat would start to get dirty and cause more exhaust smoke than I liked, I poured a gallon of MMO in with 300 gallons of diesel fuel and after a few hundred miles the smoke was reduced considerably. It is also used in piston aircraft engines to free sticky valves and has been for many decades.

 

[HackNutz]

so the question is cam galling and an oil additive. I think Clevy had a good point with the comment about "film strength."

I spent spend some time researching LiquiMoly as Trav suggested. And what did I find?

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will have to seriously consider this.

Thanks everybody! sorry to have started another donnybrook.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: HackNutz

I spent spend some time researching LiquiMoly as Trav suggested.


will have to seriously consider this.

Thanks everybody! sorry to have started another donnybrook.


Trav's been around the block a few times, and knows exactly what he's talking about. I go with his recommendations w/o hesitation.

 

[KCJeep]

Originally Posted By: FXjohn
what if you just did a whole oil change with MMO and let it run a few minutes every day for a couple weeks and then changed back to regular oil? should be clean as a whistle


Funny you should mention that. My Jeep is filthy due to PO neglect and I was wondering the same thing. I have actually seen MMO treated oil dissolve sludge in the bottom of an old drain pan. I wonder what a fill of MMO in the crank would do. Not to drive, just fill it, let it idle a minute or two and soak, repeat over time and drain.

I watched a guy on Youtube do essentially the same thing with diesel fuel (no way IMO) so I'm thinking it could be done with MMO. Highly doubt I will try it but it is an interesting idea.

 

[CourierDriver]

http://www.marvelmysteryoil.com/index.php/forums/viewforum/2/ more info on mmo

 

[Trajan]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Originally Posted By: HackNutz

I spent spend some time researching LiquiMoly as Trav suggested.


will have to seriously consider this.

Thanks everybody! sorry to have started another donnybrook.


Trav's been around the block a few times, and knows exactly what he's talking about. I go with his recommendations w/o hesitation.


And when he said to leave all these wizards in the bottle on the shelf. did you go with that?