off the shelf additive to emulsify water?

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In my diesel Jetta, I use Primrose 405c at every fillup as a fuel additive, to add lubricity and emulsify any water present in the fuel. The really cool part... it's so concentrated that I use less than an ounce at each fillup.

Is there an equivalent emulsifier for gasoline? Maybe not as concentrated, but with the same water emulsification? I'm looking for an additive to start using in my Escape. Do any of the common fuel treatments (STP, Heet, etc) take care of water in this way?
 
you could use Dri-fuel to solve the water into the fuel. No need to add it all the time though, it's not like it's pouring cats and dogs in there.
 
If you use something to emulsify the water, won't it cause the water to get through the fuel/water seperator filter?

I'm not sure which is better, and I know nothing about VW, but if your vehicle has a coalescing type filter the water needs to be able to seperate from the fuel.
 
Where is all your moisture coming from?

Unless vehicle has several weeks of storage a month, or is not refilled from empty monthly, then I wouldn't worry about moisture.

If you want to try a drygas, use the isopropyl alcohol like isoheet. If your fuel already has ethanol in it and unless your the gas station's only customer, I would forget about moisture issues. It would take an excess of moisture to make the ios-heet ineffective. If there was an excess, you have other problems.

Visit your local small engine shops for fuel stabilizer if fuel isn't being consumed quickly enough. Visit marine supply shop for gas tank additives that deal with moisture.

Demulsify requires a drain since moisture settles to the bottom, or a fuel/water separator common with diesel fuel systems. Emulsify disperse moisture throughout fuel so that you consume it.

Alcohol emulsifies up to a point. Alcohol is bad to some diesel fuel system components. This is why there is an anti-emulsify crowd.

And, if you really have problems sleeping at night because of your gasoline moisture, there are gasoline water separator filters. They look just like those diesel fuel filters with a glass bowl and moisture drain.

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do NOT emulsify water in a diesel engine, forcing it thru the injectors and high pressure pump, unless you want an expensive trip to the shop

filter and drain only
 
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do NOT emulsify water in a diesel engine, forcing it thru the injectors and high pressure pump, unless you want an expensive trip to the shop

filter and drain only




Normally, I would agree with you. But here's why I use Primrose additive to emulsify water in my VW diesel (read the first post with a quote from George Morrison)....

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=106817
 
From my experience with diesel pickups in the late '70s - early '80s, it's much better to use a fuel/water separator (as in a Racor unit) than to have to use chemical means to deal with moisture/algae in a diesel fuel system. When water hits the separator/filter, it swells it such that you'll notice a definite decrease in power past a certain rpm/demand range.

Modern light truck diesel fuel systems also have moisture sensors and factory water filter/separators. I don't know what VW uses on your vehicle, though, BUT you should find out. To me, this is ONE area where EACH diesel vehicle owner should become knowledgeable should they happen to get a "load" of water from a station somewhere.

The other thing is that the filter you might see on the fuel pumps on the island is a water filter, which "closes down" when enough moisture hits it, just like in the Racor-type filter/separator. Actually, the "pump" on the island is only the dispenser as the real pump is at the tank, usually. IF you notice it stop or start to run slow, that means that the tank is either empty or the filter just detected a lot of moisture. Many of the high-volume convenience store stations have electronic monitoring of tank level and moisture alarms--so the parent company knows when to send tankers out or diagnostic people to check on the "water" issue. I suspect the electronic moisture monitoring might also compensate for not having any "well" to check for fuel leaks?

In reality, the best method of dealing with moisture in a diesel vehicle is to NOT get any in the first place. The chemical means are only something of a band-aid fix, to me, but can be useful in specific instances. Buying quality fuel from a high-volume station (rather than diesel from a corner store, for example) is an observed good thing to do.

I would hope that any diesel fuel additive would not significantly decrease the designed-in lubicity of the base fuel.

Just some thoughts . . .
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…it's much better to use a fuel/water separator (as in a Racor unit) than to have to use chemical means to deal with moisture/algae in a diesel fuel system…




Dittos!

Another point about additives -emulsifiers or demulsifiers - is that they only handle small amounts of water. If you get a big slug of water it’s going to be the water separator that protects the injectors and injection pump, not the additive. Suppliers may also “additize” the fuel so we may end up with both types anyway. I once wrote Power Service and asked if their additive was an emulsifier or demulsifer .. they answered and said it was neither (???)

Personally, I’m in the demulsifer camp and use Stanadyne Performance Formula & Lubricity Additive (also endorsed by GM). I have three fuel filters on my Duramax each of which have water separators: Stanadyne FM100 30u pre filter followed by the ~4u OEM AC Delco (RACOR) and a 2u-absolute Baldwin BF7635. The only filter I ever find water in is the FM100 which is first in the chain and then it’s only a small drop or two (see picture) .. In case of an emergency water slug, I also carry a bottle of Power Service 911 which I believe provides a heavy dose of an alcohol type emulsifier (never had to use .. yet). I’ve also heard of some folks that do an occasional treatment with PS 911 to keep the system dry but I haven’t been brave enough to try it.

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