OCI With Militec-1
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Again, it's not an oil stabilizer but rather a metal conditioner. Google is pretty good.
Long term effects….
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29188/anti-friction-metal-conditioners
https://www.machinerylubrication.com/Read/29188/anti-friction-metal-conditioners
Patman
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That’s not proof of anything at all
I'm wondering if it has ceramics in it, similar to Ceratec, it's supposedly clings to metal and reduces friction thus temps too and reduces wear.
That is very informative. MILITEC1 doesn't contain chlorinated paraffins though .
https://www.militec-1.com/what-is-militec
dnewton3
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Where's what they say is NOT in the product:
"Just as important as knowing what’s in MILITEC-1 is knowing what isn’t. MILITEC-1 does not contain chlorinated paraffins, PTFE, fluorine, solvents, carrier oils, viscosity enhancers, metals, molybdenum disulfide, zinc, sulfur, graphite powders or other solids. It’s also important to realize that MILITEC-1 is non-hazardous, non-toxic, and non-combustible."
And here's what they state the product is comprised of in the SDS:
https://irp.cdn-website.com/d2e2628d/files/uploaded/Lubricant-SDS_.pdf
"... %Proprietary synthetic industrial Proprietary lubricant ....... Other components below reportable levels 50 - < 6040 - < 50 .......*Designates that a specific chemical identity and/or percentage of composition has been withheld as a trade secret."
I'm not a chemist, so I cannot discern the specifics of their legal obfuscation.
But my layman's interpretation is that it must be a 50/50 mix of Seafoam and Unicorn tears?
"Just as important as knowing what’s in MILITEC-1 is knowing what isn’t. MILITEC-1 does not contain chlorinated paraffins, PTFE, fluorine, solvents, carrier oils, viscosity enhancers, metals, molybdenum disulfide, zinc, sulfur, graphite powders or other solids. It’s also important to realize that MILITEC-1 is non-hazardous, non-toxic, and non-combustible."
And here's what they state the product is comprised of in the SDS:
https://irp.cdn-website.com/d2e2628d/files/uploaded/Lubricant-SDS_.pdf
"... %Proprietary synthetic industrial Proprietary lubricant ....... Other components below reportable levels 50 - < 6040 - < 50 .......*Designates that a specific chemical identity and/or percentage of composition has been withheld as a trade secret."
I'm not a chemist, so I cannot discern the specifics of their legal obfuscation.
But my layman's interpretation is that it must be a 50/50 mix of Seafoam and Unicorn tears?
Has extremely stable chlorate esters!
Absorbed into metal makes zero sense.
Metals used in cars are alloys. If things like carbon and God help us chlorine are are being incorporated into the alloy, yes it will change said alloy, and mostly NOT FOR THE BETTER!
Metals used in cars are alloys. If things like carbon and God help us chlorine are are being incorporated into the alloy, yes it will change said alloy, and mostly NOT FOR THE BETTER!
4wd
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Geez - this could be the future of undercoating
Thank you for the information I didn't have.
Again as in other threads you've posted, I ask, how does it condition the metal?
What is chemically happening to the metal?
Miltec marketeer waves hand and says, "This is not the chlorine you are looking for."
Ed
“Many "metal conditioners", but not all, are derived from a chlorinated compound. The chlorine in these compounds is very reactive with a metal surface and will immediately corrode it. The corrosion byproducts and oxides then become a sacrificial friction barrier. This barrier does have a lubricating property, as it is sloughed off to expose fresh material.
Over time, as this cycle is repeated and the freshly exposed material reacts with the additive suspended in the oil, there can be substantial wear (both chemical and mechanical) to the components. The long-term effects of the corrosive chlorine far outweigh any short-term benefit from this sacrificial barrier.”
From the Machinery Lubrication article I posted above.
I am no scientist. I haven't a clue how it works molecularly . Here's a posting from Google:
MILITEC-1 is a metal conditioner. MILITEC-1 simply uses the circulating oil as a means to reach the critical hot spots and metallic friction surfaces within the machinery. When the oil carries MILITEC-1 to these areas, MILITEC-1 exits the oil, leaving the oil completely unaffected and unchanged.
hemically reacts with and is absorbed by the metal. The chemical reaction takes place at temperatures between 100°F and 150°F (38°C - 66°C) depending on friction and load conditions. The effect of the chemical reaction is a stiffening (not hardening) of the metal surface -- approximately seventeen times stiffer when the reaction is complete. The increased stiffness dramatically reduces friction and parasitic drag, just as when an under-inflated tire is pumped up.
Patman
Staff member
Still sounds like snake oil to me. Is it sold by gypsies at the carnival? 
dnewton3
Staff member
Wait.... What? This product is added to the oil, then hops a ride on the oil, and then departs the oil when it finds a "hot spot"?
You cannot seriously believe that's how any fluid works, can you?
Well, since the entire engine will easily get over 100F, then the product will consider everything (EVERYTHING) a "hot spot". So how does it distinguish and discern where to deposit itself?RobbS said:
Please explain the difference between stiffness and hardness in metal alloys, relative to engine "hot spots". When a tire is low on pressure and then is pumped up, it literally changes its shape, such that deformation is minimized. How does this equate to the Militech product absorbing into metals and "stiffening" them?
What I see is that you have deeply embedded placebo bias. You use it, nothing bad has happened that you're aware of, and so it must be "working" as claimed.
Not one shred of tangible, credible, objective data has been presented by you or by the product maker. They make a lot of bold claims, and have had no 3rd party verifications I can find. And in fact, the claims about Naval use seem to be (at best) countered by some military documentation which states they DO have chlorine derivatives (despite their advertising) and they have not passed final testing, and have been dropped from consideration by the Navy, probably many years ago.
RobbS - you are free to do what you want; no one can take that away from you. It's your money and your vehicles. But you've not convinced the rest of us that this is anything but a giant rabbit hole of questionable marketing and baseless performance claims.
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The stiffening things gets me. That's not a material property. Its a section property. Or in this case a marketing professional trying to sound technical. Oh, and "organically bound". Well, I guess this might be OK as it is suspended in a carbon based carrier oil (ester), but I think the use is more akin to an organic farmers market.
If I'm gonna use a snake oil, I want my snake oil to produce a poorly written and staged infomercial showing a guy shoveling gravel into a running engine with the oil pan off. Extra points for mullets and trucker caps.
If I'm gonna use a snake oil, I want my snake oil to produce a poorly written and staged infomercial showing a guy shoveling gravel into a running engine with the oil pan off. Extra points for mullets and trucker caps.
AZjeff
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So did the military use train tanker loads of this stuff on everything that didn't breathe as claimed earlier or not?