OCI Guidance

So you don’t like to walk or bike, fair enough. Small motorcycle? E-bike? Scooter? Vastly cheaper commute costs and no worrying about OCI. Hell, there are e-bikes passing me up on my commute to work on my ninja 250 no problem. Those things can get nuts.
 
Back to the topic of OCIs. Short of running UOA and going by oxidation values, the best proxy I know of is to change based on fuel burn because the degree of oxidation and contaminant loading is highly correlated to fuel burn.

When you’ve burned <200x the oil pan capacity in fuel, change the oil. So if you have a 4 quart sump, that’s 200 gallons of fuel burn between OCIs. At 25mpg, that’s 5k miles. If you have a 5quart sump but only get 15mpg, you need to change every 3750 miles.
 
Back to the topic of OCIs. Short of running UOA and going by oxidation values, the best proxy I know of is to change based on fuel burn because the degree of oxidation and contaminant loading is highly correlated to fuel burn.

When you’ve burned <200x the oil pan capacity in fuel, change the oil. So if you have a 4 quart sump, that’s 200 gallons of fuel burn between OCIs. At 25mpg, that’s 5k miles. If you have a 5quart sump but only get 15mpg, you need to change every 3750 miles.
This doesn't factor in driving conditions. If you burn your 200x units of fuel in one continuous trip, it will be considerably less oxidized and contaminated than if the fuel was burned a mile at a time in a cold engine, spread out over a long period of time.
 
Get an E-bike :D
^^ Yep, that was what I was thinking too, on days when weather is conducive.

As far as OCI guidance is concerned, it's fair to say that consensus is every 4-6 months (regardless of miles) with any suitable oil and a good quality oil filter can be changed yearly. In that case, 30 min long drives x2 month may or may not even be necessary.
 
Back to the topic of OCIs. Short of running UOA and going by oxidation values, the best proxy I know of is to change based on fuel burn because the degree of oxidation and contaminant loading is highly correlated to fuel burn.

When you’ve burned <200x the oil pan capacity in fuel, change the oil. So if you have a 4 quart sump, that’s 200 gallons of fuel burn between OCIs. At 25mpg, that’s 5k miles. If you have a 5quart sump but only get 15mpg, you need to change every 3750 miles.
I've heard something similar to this and it's what I'm thinking of doing this winter. (Your math is off) If you take 200X4 you get 800. 800 gallons of fuel is a long drain interval. If you got 20 miles to the gallon that would be a 16,000-mile interval. I heard it was a 50X oil sump capacity in fuel. So, for my 2019 F150 it would be 50X6 or 300 gallons of fuel. Around town I get 13-15 mpg. So, using an average of 14 burning 300 gallons of fuel, it would be about 4200 miles. I just need to keep track of my fuel used, which wouldn't be any big deal with my 36-gallon fuel tank and my 0.8-mile commute to work. I will probably only have to fill up about every 4-5 weeks this winter.
 
I wouldn't overthink this. Just do 6 month oil and filter of you're choice, and a few romps on the highway when you get a chance to heat up the oil and CATS. Then , no worries about rain and mosquitos either.
 
I've heard something similar to this and it's what I'm thinking of doing this winter. (Your math is off) If you take 200X4 you get 800. 800 gallons of fuel is a long drain interval. If you got 20 miles to the gallon that would be a 16,000-mile interval. I heard it was a 50X oil sump capacity in fuel. So, for my 2019 F150 it would be 50X6 or 300 gallons of fuel. Around town I get 13-15 mpg. So, using an average of 14 burning 300 gallons of fuel, it would be about 4200 miles. I just need to keep track of my fuel used, which wouldn't be any big deal with my 36-gallon fuel tank and my 0.8-mile commute to work. I will probably only have to fill up about every 4-5 weeks this winter.
In the example, a four quart sump is assumed. That's one gallon. 200x that is 200 gallons.

Math indeed.

You don't need to precisely tranck fuel burn. You just need to know your typical MPG and convert the burn to a mileage OCI.
 
I've heard something similar to this and it's what I'm thinking of doing this winter. (Your math is off) If you take 200X4 you get 800. 800 gallons of fuel is a long drain interval. If you got 20 miles to the gallon that would be a 16,000-mile interval. I heard it was a 50X oil sump capacity in fuel. So, for my 2019 F150 it would be 50X6 or 300 gallons of fuel. Around town I get 13-15 mpg. So, using an average of 14 burning 300 gallons of fuel, it would be about 4200 miles. I just need to keep track of my fuel used, which wouldn't be any big deal with my 36-gallon fuel tank and my 0.8-mile commute to work. I will probably only have to fill up about every 4-5 weeks this winter.
Who has a 4 gallon oil sump size? If you had a 16 quart oil capacity, then I bet you could do 16,000 miles.

Re-read his original recommendation closely.
 
This doesn't factor in driving conditions. If you burn your 200x units of fuel in one continuous trip, it will be considerably less oxidized and contaminated than if the fuel was burned a mile at a time in a cold engine, spread out over a long period of time.
If you drive one mile at a time, your fuel economy will drop significantly, so you will hit 200x of fuel burned much faster.

It's just a guideline. If you do the math, and you don't like the answer, then by all means, pick an OCI you like.
 
I've heard something similar to this and it's what I'm thinking of doing this winter. (Your math is off) If you take 200X4 you get 800. 800 gallons of fuel is a long drain interval. If you got 20 miles to the gallon that would be a 16,000-mile interval. I heard it was a 50X oil sump capacity in fuel. So, for my 2019 F150 it would be 50X6 or 300 gallons of fuel. Around town I get 13-15 mpg. So, using an average of 14 burning 300 gallons of fuel, it would be about 4200 miles. I just need to keep track of my fuel used, which wouldn't be any big deal with my 36-gallon fuel tank and my 0.8-mile commute to work. I will probably only have to fill up about every 4-5 weeks this winter.
But wouldn't 200 x 4 quarts (sump capacity) equate to 800 quarts (of fuel)? That's only 200 gallons of fuel.

4000 miles @ 20 MPG would use 200 gallons of fuel.

2000 miles @ 10 MPG would use 200 gallons of fuel.

8000 miles @ 40 MPG would use 200 gallons of fuel.

(It's more straightforward for those of us in Metricland, where the sump capacity and fuel are both measured in litres.)
 
If you drive one mile at a time, your fuel economy will drop significantly, so you will hit 200x of fuel burned much faster.

It's just a guideline. If you do the math, and you don't like the answer, then by all means, pick an OCI you like.
Exactly - the "change oil when fuel consumption = 200x sump capacity" guideline is beautiful in its simplicity - it accounts for cold weather, cold starts, idling, stop-and-go driving, etc.

If one feels that the 200x figure is too conservative, one can use 250 or 300.

Ideally someone would test this with used oil analysis.
 
It's easy your vehicle is equipped with an Oil life monitor.

Change when it gets to 20% or so.
 
Peak laziness right there! Half a mile? Twice a day? In a car? Why would you do this? 🤨

The school my children attend is around half a mile away, it takes us 8 minutes to walk in the morning. I wouldn't dream of taking the car.
Peak self righteousness right here! Why does it matter to you? I posted a thread asking for ideas based on how the use of my vehicle has changed. Not asking for thoughts on if I should walk, ride a bike, what kind of bike etc. So why do you feel the need to comment? Especially after reading my replies to the others that suggested biking or walking? If it was just to point out that you feel I am lazy simply because I won’t do what you would do, an assumption made without even knowing me or my situation, tells me a lot about the type of person you are.

I don’t know what happened to this place. Used to be that people on here wanted to help with your questions. In this thread I have a handful who responded helpfully (thank you to these posters), and just as many passing judgement with no helpful input but quick to offer lifestyle change tips, and 1 triggered because I misspelled a word in the title.
 
Peak laziness right there! Half a mile? Twice a day? In a car? Why would you do this? 🤨

The school my children attend is around half a mile away, it takes us 8 minutes to walk in the morning. I wouldn't dream of taking the car.
A half mile in Europe isn’t the same as the US. The high school in my district is a mile away but you have to cross a rural county highway with no sidewalk, no stop sign, and no traffic light. The hwy has a 50 mph speed limit but most people do 60 mph. It got so bad that they had to put a cop to direct traffic at the high school. Just having a volunteer cross guard wasn’t enough to slow people down, they needed a police officer’s presence. In some instances/places it’s actually dangerous to walk in the US.
 
It's easy your vehicle is equipped with an Oil life monitor.

Change when it gets to 20% or so.
I’m wondering if I shouldn’t just follow that at this point. It’s at 52% right now with 4,000 miles in, most of which reflects my current use. I would change at 5,000 anyway but I am still well within the green according to the monitor.

I checked the oil yesterday evening. It’s not black at all, still golden transparent and doesn’t smell or taste like fuel. I’m wondering if I’m worrying over a non issue. Lol
 
Who has a 4 gallon oil sump size? If you had a 16 quart oil capacity, then I bet you could do 16,000 miles.

Re-read his original recommendation closely.
I see how you did that. I wasn't thinking of the conversion. My bad. The way I calculate it you would come out with the same figure.
 
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