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Woman Sues Southwest Airlines Over Obese Passenger Policy
Associated Press Newswires 08/25/04
Copyright 2004. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.


MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP)--A cosmetics company CEO has sued Southwest Airlines (LUV), alleging that she was unfairly subjected to its policy of requiring large passengers to buy two seats because she is black.

Nadine Thompson, president, CEO and co-founder of Warm Spirit Inc. beauty and wellness company in Exeter, sued the airline in federal court in Concord last week, saying the company does not uniformly enforce its policy requiring obese passengers to buy two seats.

The lawsuit said "a disproportionate number of women and persons of color are subjects of Southwest's policy requiring a passenger to purchase a second ticket.

"But for the plaintiff being a large African-American woman, she would not have been subjected to Southwest's policy of requiring a passenger to purchase a second ticket."

The lawsuit said, "Similarly sized white male passengers are not subjected to Southwest's policy requiring a passenger to purchase a second ticket."

Southwest Airlines disagrees with Thompson.

"I know that is not the case at all. We do not tolerate any discrimination in any shape, form or fashion," said Southwest spokesman Ed Stewart.

"Being a black man myself I can totally speak from experience," Stewart said. "We do not discriminate against black people. That's been my experience for the 14 years I've been here."

Thompson said she had booked the flight to a conference in Chicago out of Manchester Airport. She was relaxing in her seat on July 9, 2003, with the seat belt buckled and the armrest down, when a Southwest employee approached her and told her she would have to buy a second ticket or leave the aircraft.

She said the man kept repeating it was "for her comfort and safety and for the safety of the people around her."

Southwest had never before required her to buy two tickets, she said. She told the Southwest employee that no one was sitting next to her, so she couldn't be encroaching on anyone else's seat.

Thompson said she had been a frequent flier on Southwest, flying at least three or four times a month as CEO of Warm Spirit Inc.

She decided to leave the plane. When she left, she was met on the jetway by three Southwest employees and two Rockingham County sheriff's deputies. She said she was deeply humiliated. "I about died."

She said she started to cry, but the deputies were very kind and helped her book a new, single-seat flight on United.

"They're feeling horrible," she said of the deputies. "One of them said, 'You're no bigger than my wife. I can't believe this could happen to my wife."'
 
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Originally posted by MolaKule:
Woman Sues Southwest Airlines Over Obese Passenger Policy
Associated Press Newswires 08/25/04
Copyright 2004. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.


MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP)--A cosmetics company CEO has sued Southwest Airlines (LUV), alleging that she was unfairly subjected to its policy of requiring large passengers to buy two seats because she is black.


The article lacked measurments. They should be more scientific about this.

I suspect that a larger than average percentage of female Walmart shoppers that fly on airlines get charged for two seats too. I doubt that it's discrimination against Walmart shoppers.
 
Being a larger person ...


I don't know about this situation, but I tend to agree with the policy. I watched as this poor thing was seated between a couple that I know. They both weigh in the neghborhood of 300 and there was NO WAY that anyone should be asked to sit between them.


Now for all you lean jeaners, this couple is the classic obese types that you like to get all worked up about. They aren't necessarily "lazy" ..but they eat constantly. On a cruise ..they literally have 5 or 6 FULL MEALS. They have a full size refigerator in their bedroom so that the triangle between the bed, food, bathroom is shorter while watching television.

Now there should be a competition for the most "obese friendly" airline....
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They have a full size refigerator in their bedroom so that the triangle between the bed, food, bathroom is shorter while watching television.

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No sense unnecessarily burning off calories.
If your a** takes up two seats you should pay for two seats. Seems the true issue is consistency of enforcement. I'm thin-to-average but I'm tall so planes are uncomfortable for me too but in a different direction. I take the AutoTrain to Florida when I can.
 
It would only be discrimination if two people, of the same size, were treated differently, the difference being race. Given that all places of public accommodation, including airlines, are supposed to be color blind, I doubt such data is collected to allow proof.

However, that is not to say that no discrimination is possibly taking place. If there is no objective standard being used to make these decisions by airline employees, then personal biases could creep in. Some nice person in New Hampshire might be making a subjective decision about whether sitting next to a big fat black person is somehow more objectionable than sitting next to a big fat white person.

I have never flown Southwest, but there is a variance in seat size between airlines. Some are unrealistically small, not much larger than automobile child seats. Anytime you try to pack a five gallon can into a one gallon seat, there will be trouble.
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I think Jay Leno had the best joke on this. He showed Southwest's new "Butt-o-Meter". Passengers would have to pass through the device as do their carry-on luggage. A simple pass or fail would determine if you paid extra.
I hope this does not sound racist, but it seems overweight black women have disproportionate sized butts, this may be part of this womens lawsuit?? Now if they're genetically proposed to this is it discrimination?
 
I think that it is descrimination no matter how you slice it. Why is it any better to descrimanate against a fat person then say a black person or a Jewish person. If she was fitting in the seat and not hanging over the arm rest of the other seat what is the problem.

What is next hieght? I am 6'2"-6'3" and my knee's frequent are hitting the seat infront of me unless I am in first class. Should I pay for two seats for my comfort and saftey? Maybe they can remove the seat infron of me.

I am built like Aronold Swartzanegger with beer belly. In a suite I just look ike a tall Fat man! Would they charge me for two seats if I wore a suite but one if I wore jeans and t-shirt?
 
No i totally agree with SWA.

If you exceed your weight allowance then yes you airline faire should reflect that.

How else can a pilot accurately load and balance a plane then.

Or do you expect the USPS to send a 200lbs package for the same price as a 37 cent stamp rate?

Heck if the jolly green giant entered my aircraft he may not be fat but im certainly going to charge him in ratio to his weight and space he occupies.

Airlines operate on passengers per space, and if a fatty occupies the whole isle, well that is what he is paying for.

Conversely if a 1st class passenger on a flat laying luxury be seat on British Airways pays 7,000$ he enjoys the paid space.

So if Mr. 1st class pays 7,000$ for a transatlantic fare Mr. Fat American Joe should not B**** if his cheap economy class L fair ticket goes from 250 to 500$$ due to his weight managament issues.
 
Ah ..outrun ..but this isn't an issue of your gross vascular wear rating (GVWR)

..this is a "butt-O-meter" issue.

If you're 4'2" and weigh 200 lb. ...you get to pay double. If you're 265 and are 6'1" ..you pay for one.

Nothing to do with "balancing the load".
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