NOOB compounding whole car ok?

[Noey]

So much bad advice, so little time. Ya never know who you're talking with online...

First, if you have swirls in your clear coat..and the rest of the paint is fine, then the only advice to give is to live with it and use the right products properly applied to minimize them. A swirl is a microfine scratch in the clear..I hate clear for this reason, it is very unforgiving...and black is the worst offender b/c the contrast btw'n the deep black and the shiny clear magnifies the swirls.

Wash your car with car wash solution, get all the tar and bug yuck off, use good microfiber towels, and apply Meguiars NXT 2.0 or Ultimate in a horizontal, front to back motion..DO NOT rub it in circular directions, that's what caused the swirls in the first place, and that's why buffers, even the misleading 'random orbital' ones are to be avoided. remove the wax with a good, thick microfiber towel (autogeek has a great selection, and a new 'buffer towel'that's perfect).

New polymer waxes (like NXT or Ultimate) are really great at filling swirls, and you always want to go with the least invasive method, these waxes are non abrasive and won't remove your clear...once that's gone, you have to repaint. When you start seeing the swirls re appearing, it's time for another coat. Don't clay your car, and for goodness sakes, don't even think of wet sanding..this is a last resort, and not for the faint of heart.

 

[gary031]

Originally Posted By: Noey

First, if you have swirls in your clear coat..and the rest of the paint is fine, then the only advice to give is to live with it and use the right products properly applied to minimize them.

I don't live with swirls, I remove them.
Originally Posted By: Noey
I hate clear for this reason

For most people, clear coast is much easier to deal with and maintain than single stage paint.
Originally Posted By: Noey

Wash your car with car wash solution, get all the tar and bug yuck off, use good microfiber towels, and apply Meguiars NXT 2.0 or Ultimate in a horizontal, front to back motion..

Wash, decon, CLAY, then wax. Waxing over gritty paint with bonded contaminants stuck all over it is a fail. Claying is an essential part of proper car care.
Originally Posted By: Noey

Meguiars NXT 2.0 or Ultimate in a horizontal, front to back motion..

NXT 2.0 does fill slightly, but the durability totally sucks, sooooo many far superior products to use.
Originally Posted By: Noey
front to back motion..DO NOT rub it in circular directions, that's what caused the swirls in the first place,

More than likely, the swirls were caused by washing, but you can swirl up a car, every so slightly, by using circular motions if you using dirty applicators and such. I've never seen real world evidence of this though when using clean applicators.
Originally Posted By: Noey
and that's why buffers, even the misleading 'random orbital' ones are to be avoided.

Random orbital polishers work great, I've personally never seen a random orbital polisher that was "misleading".
Originally Posted By: Noey

Don't clay your car,

Just plain bad advice.
Originally Posted By: Noey
So much bad advice, so little time. Ya never know who you're talking with online...

Ya got that right

 

[bigmike]

Originally Posted By: Noey
So much bad advice, so little time. Ya never know who you're talking with online...

First, if you have swirls in your clear coat..and the rest of the paint is fine, then the only advice to give is to live with it and use the right products properly applied to minimize them. A swirl is a microfine scratch in the clear..I hate clear for this reason, it is very unforgiving...and black is the worst offender b/c the contrast btw'n the deep black and the shiny clear magnifies the swirls.

Wash your car with car wash solution, get all the tar and bug yuck off, use good microfiber towels, and apply Meguiars NXT 2.0 or Ultimate in a horizontal, front to back motion..DO NOT rub it in circular directions, that's what caused the swirls in the first place, and that's why buffers, even the misleading 'random orbital' ones are to be avoided. remove the wax with a good, thick microfiber towel (autogeek has a great selection, and a new 'buffer towel'that's perfect).

New polymer waxes (like NXT or Ultimate) are really great at filling swirls, and you always want to go with the least invasive method, these waxes are non abrasive and won't remove your clear...once that's gone, you have to repaint. When you start seeing the swirls re appearing, it's time for another coat. Don't clay your car, and for goodness sakes, don't even think of wet sanding..this is a last resort, and not for the faint of heart.


This belongs in the humor section. Either that or you are a troll. I'm uncertain.

If you want to "fill" a swirl mark, use a glaze. Ultimate polish is a cheap OTC glaze that also polishes, but I highly dislike glazes.

The goal, if you choose to accept it, is to blend the blemish which can be done successfully many, many times as long as within reasonable expectations.

And to not clay and not use a DA polisher? Wow. Just wow.

I'll commend you on the microfiber usage and the comment about wet sanding.

 

[Noey]

Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: Noey
So much bad advice, so little time. Ya never know who you're talking with online...

First, if you have swirls in your clear coat..and the rest of the paint is fine, then the only advice to give is to live with it and use the right products properly applied to minimize them. A swirl is a microfine scratch in the clear..I hate clear for this reason, it is very unforgiving...and black is the worst offender b/c the contrast btw'n the deep black and the shiny clear magnifies the swirls.

Wash your car with car wash solution, get all the tar and bug yuck off, use good microfiber towels, and apply Meguiars NXT 2.0 or Ultimate in a horizontal, front to back motion..DO NOT rub it in circular directions, that's what caused the swirls in the first place, and that's why buffers, even the misleading 'random orbital' ones are to be avoided. remove the wax with a good, thick microfiber towel (autogeek has a great selection, and a new 'buffer towel'that's perfect).

New polymer waxes (like NXT or Ultimate) are really great at filling swirls, and you always want to go with the least invasive method, these waxes are non abrasive and won't remove your clear...once that's gone, you have to repaint. When you start seeing the swirls re appearing, it's time for another coat. Don't clay your car, and for goodness sakes, don't even think of wet sanding..this is a last resort, and not for the faint of heart.


This belongs in the humor section. Either that or you are a troll. I'm uncertain.

If you want to "fill" a swirl mark, use a glaze. Ultimate polish is a cheap OTC glaze that also polishes, but I highly dislike glazes.

The goal, if you choose to accept it, is to blend the blemish which can be done successfully many, many times as long as within reasonable expectations.

And to not clay and not use a DA polisher? Wow. Just wow.

I'll commend you on the microfiber usage and the comment about wet sanding.


I can assure you I'm no troll..lotsa experience here, and especially with the dreadful results from the advice on these topics. Like the cute dog, though...

The correct advice for a newb with black car swirls is to go easy with hand application of a good premium wax. What works for you isn't necessarily correct for someone with no experience..but then again, I can read and separate my own abilities and needs from others.

And, as an FYI the easiest way to add swirls to a car is with one of those misleading 'random orbital' buffers..go take a look under florescent light and maybe magnifier and see.

 

[gary031]

Originally Posted By: Noey

And, as an FYI the easiest way to add swirls to a car is with one of those misleading 'random orbital' buffers..go take a look under florescent light and maybe magnifier and see.

Just because you somehow managed to swirl up paint with a random orbital polisher doesn't mean the rest of the population would make the same amateur mistakes. As long as your not using dirt for compound or trying to polish a dirty car, polishing with a random orbital polisher is almost fool proof when used with a little bit of common sense. But then again, you did say "DON'T CLAY", so I'm not surprised if you swirled up a non-clayed car trying to polish it.

and if your checking for swirls, florescent lights are no where near the best method, halogens, the sun or even a high lumen LED flashlight would work better.

 

[Noey]

Originally Posted By: gary031
Originally Posted By: Noey

And, as an FYI the easiest way to add swirls to a car is with one of those misleading 'random orbital' buffers..go take a look under florescent light and maybe magnifier and see.

Just because you somehow managed to swirl up paint with a random orbital polisher doesn't mean the rest of the population would make the same amateur mistakes. As long as your not using dirt for compound or trying to polish a dirty car, polishing with a random orbital polisher is almost fool proof when used with a little bit of common sense. But then again, you did say "DON'T CLAY", so I'm not surprised if you swirled up a non-clayed car trying to polish it.

and if your checking for swirls, florescent lights are no where near the best method, halogens, the sun or even a high lumen LED flashlight would work better.


Anything you say, you're the boss.

For the rest of us Regular 'folk, it's best advice to give a noob the least invasive method, clay and buffers take experience and time to master. My advice is correct in this situation.

And as an FYI, if you properly care for your car's finish from Day One, you don't need clay, buffers, or any other forms of remediation.

 

[gary031]

Originally Posted By: Noey



And as an FYI, if you properly care for your car's finish from Day One, you don't need clay, buffers, or any other forms of remediation.

Straight up false information. Your definitely in no place to be giving advice about detailing cars to anyone. But who am I to argue with a "know it all".

 

[Vikas]

Put up the pictures or shut up; that goes for everybody offering advice here.

 

[bigmike]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Put up the pictures or shut up; that goes for everybody offering advice here.


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[Vikas]

Did I miss a thread about Noey's pictures?