Non -detergent in a lawnmower???

[kschachn]

So if it works so good are you doing that in your cars as well?

Originally Posted By: 84zmyfavorite
In the Interest of Science. Its called Tribology. Also, found that it works very good.

 

[kschachn]

And another question, on an engine that "gets used Alot in dirty, Hot environments(Dry, dusty Rental lawns)", you haven't changed the oil since 2009? Four years??

Originally Posted By: 84zmyfavorite
Man, yesterday I was over at Dads house. Checked his Ryobi Briggs 6.5HP OHV lawnmower over, checked oil(last changed myself in 2009 with ACCEL ND30)and it was barely Brown and just a millimeter above FULL. I asked my Dad what he had been topping it off with, since this Lawn mower gets used Alot in dirty, Hot environments(Dry, dusty Rental lawns),..and he said he hasnt even checked it. I have had Good results in my own Small engines with various brands of ND30 as well. Thats why I continue to use it.

 

[GregGA]

I find it hard to believe that in the "information age" we are discussing ND oil in OPE. When did this myth start?

I have in front of me a 1994 Briggs Industrial Plus 5HP manual;
On page 2:

We recommend the use of a high quality detergent oil classified for
"service SE,SF,SG." Detergent oils keep the engine cleaner and retard the formation of gum and varnish deposits.

In that year, they recommended straight 30 above 40F. Times have changed on the multi-vis

 

[Mamala Bay]

Non-Detergent oil are used for pumps regarding foaming and seal damage. Pumps need lubrication but since it's not a combution application the additives in a detergent oil may cause problems such as foaming and seal damage...long term. The ND oil is used in this application.

 

[TFB1]

Originally Posted By: GregGA
I find it hard to believe that in the "information age" we are discussing ND oil in OPE. When did this myth start?


Some myths never die...

I guarantee every small engine owners manual from probably the late 50s recommends detergent oil...

My 1980 B&S has this on front of the engine...

 

[84zmyfavorite]

Didnt Take Much!!! Wheres those Smiley Face thingies...No, Seriously

 

[84zmyfavorite]

True Story Though.

 

[GregGA]

84z: don't worry about those stinkin' OPE! Just take care of those Jeep 4.0's you own

 

[gfh77665]

Originally Posted By: GregGA
I find it hard to believe that in the "information age" we are discussing ND oil in OPE.



Originally Posted By: gfh77665
...., but would they really hurt a mower? I just got a case of ND 40 wt. for free...


^^ Thats why I asked.

 

[84zmyfavorite]

If the lowest temp you were going to start that lawnmower is around 60 degrees, then I say use the ND40.

 

[lars11]

It's a very useful oil, that's why you got it for free...

Maybe won't kill an old briggs but it sure won't help. maybe if you mix good oil with it to simulate oil w partly used up add pack... but why ruin good oil?

 

[gfh77665]

Actually I had considered that. I got a bunch of HDEO too, so I was thinking mixing 50/50 to use it all up. The stout ad pack in the HDEO would somewhat compensate for the ND40.

Anyone agree?

 

[MolaKule]

NO.

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Actually I had considered that. I got a bunch of HDEO too, so I was thinking mixing 50/50 to use it all up. The stout ad pack in the HDEO would somewhat compensate for the ND40.

Anyone agree?


If you mix 50/50, then ALL of the additives from ANY formulated oil will be reduced by half, including the ZDDP anti-wear/anti-oxidant performance improvement component.

As quite a few others have stated, I can't believe people are actually using this oil except as an oil in compressors, or to coat tools from rusting.

 

[MolaKule]

Quote:
If the lowest temp you were going to start that lawnmower is around 60 degrees, then I say use the ND40


This is still unacceptable unless of course you somehow have a deathwish for your OPE.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Actually I had considered that. I got a bunch of HDEO too, so I was thinking mixing 50/50 to use it all up. The stout ad pack in the HDEO would somewhat compensate for the ND40.

Anyone agree?


No. In fact I vehemently disagree.
Ght. Is that you

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: MolaKule
NO.

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Actually I had considered that. I got a bunch of HDEO too, so I was thinking mixing 50/50 to use it all up. The stout ad pack in the HDEO would somewhat compensate for the ND40.

Anyone agree?


If you mix 50/50, then ALL of the additives from ANY formulated oil will be reduced by half, including the ZDDP anti-wear/anti-oxidant performance improvement component.

As quite a few others have stated, I can't believe people are actually using this oil except as an oil in compressors, or to coat tools from rusting.


Its the same people using tranny fluid to clean a crankcase and Lucas when for some reason it got noisy after the flush

 

[Kruse]

Originally Posted By: gfh77665
Might be a dumb question, but is non-detergent oil acceptable in lawnmowers?


This thread reminds me of what a lawm mower salesman told my mom when she bought a new riding lawn mower about 10 years ago. The salesman swore up and down that you should ONLY use ND oil in a lawn mower. He must have been very convincing, because no matter what I said, I could not convince my mom that a lawn mower needs a stout detergent oil. (I was even an auto tech at the time. I have no idea what kind of schooling the salesman had) It wasn't until I grabbed the owner's manual, opened it up to the maintenance page, and actually showed her that it needed a detergent oil did she believe me. I felt like going back to the store and talking to the manager, but I knew it wouldn't change a thing.

 

[cronk]

My 1968 John Deere 112 service book says to use detergent oil.
This was for Kohler and Tecumseh cast iron block engines.

 

[lars11]

omg. The only thing justifying this case is the fact that it is some briggs flatheads can take anything, kerosene, five year old straight 30, even sand in oil, and not die immediately... Or being stranded on a deserted island with a mower and nd oil and nothing to do.
THIS IS NOT ENGINE OIL. Period, over and out.
If nd oil is in engine oil ballpark, then so should lamp oil, diesel, kerosene and bloody scalp care shampoo also be.
I even think it is better to put it at 200:1 in the gas and just burn it than putting it in a crank case.
I would oil planking in the hunting stands with it, not replace my hdeo 15-40 or 0w-30 winter oil with this stuff. Using nd would make me as a member of this forum, a moron.

 

[84zmyfavorite]

5 year oil straight 30!? Oh No!