No compromise engine oil/oil filters ?

[Ulei]

This is a great site,i have the feeling that by hanging around here i can learn a few things,i do have some very important questions thou.I have a month old 2004 Honda Pilot (3.5L,SHOC,24v,VTEC,V6)and to date i have 3000 Kilometres on it.I'll start by asking first about the break in period,what happens if i switch to synthetic engine oil let's say at 5000 Kms ?,will the engine be broken in ?
2)- I have always used Mobil 1 synthetic engine oil in all my cars,....but now i'm not sure if Red Line is a better oil,i want to use the engine oil that's proven to reduce wear the most,i'm not at all interested in long service oil (Amsoil

...),beeing a Honda it calls for 5W20

too so my choices are limited.
3)- Oil filters,well let's put it this way,I went to Honda dealer to buy an oil filter,it's blue,it has the H (honda)logo on it and then Honeywell...

well that Fram POS .I really don't want to trust my car to Fram so i did a little research and i though that Amsoil,Purolator Pure One oil filters may be ok,what do you guys think ?
I apreciate all the answers.
Thank you

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[Propflux01]

I would let it go until 10k kilometers before you consider it 'broken in'. May also be wise to remain with a 'dino' oil until then. while I am sure the Redline is a good quality oil, I would still recommend Mobil One as far as synthetics are concerned. Your choices of filters are fine, as are Wix, and Supertech (Champion Labs).


BTW....

 

[55Test]

By 5000 kms your engine should be broken in. Your choice for oil depends on if you want to buy locally, or order online. If you can find GC (German Castrol), get it! Everyone here raves about this oil. A purolator pure on filter is a nice high quality filter, you'd be fine with this one. Pour in some GC, get the filter, you should be good for 8-9000 kms or so.

 

[labman]

I am a real fan of OEM filters. Before I dismissed the Honda as made by Fram, I would cut one open. Making a great filter isn't rocket science. I am not sure who made them, but if you do a search here, you should be able to find the pictures of cut up Honda filters here. Unfortunately, I am not sure you can count on the filter you buy next week with the same brand and part number being the same as the one you buy today. The newer the filter, the less media it seems to have regardless of the brand.

 

[Ulei]

Labman,the parts guy at the dealer told me about the oil filter beeing made by Fram,plus it has the parent company logo Honeywell on it too...i have to be honest about this,i don't know much about this filter stuff but i do rely on info that's proven to deliver long term reliability.Few years ago when i had a VW Jetta i used to buy Hastings oil filters because they supossed to have used some kinda fibre media (non papery stuff).I also have a BMW that uses strictly german or austrian made Mahle/Mann or Bosch filters cartrige type,but since years have past i don't know who makes a reliable spin on,Oh one more thing;i'm shocked to see how small the Honda oil filter is

,it's a motorcycle size (actually just yesterday i talked with Mobil 1 hot line guy and asked what oil filters they have and they told me M1-101...and it's also used by motorcycles

,go figure ).
So is Mobil 1 Synthetic still a good engine oil then ?,but how about this 5 W 20

stuff ?
Thank you and i apreciate the welcome.
Ulei (means oil in romanian

)

 

[Flash]

Ulei,

My suggestion for a filter would be to go with anything manufactured by Champion Labs. You would see them go under the names SuperTech (at Wal-Mart), STP and Bosch. They're all the same filter except that the Bosch has a finer filter element by just a bit. You can get the STP and Bosch versions at AutoZone.

The only thing I think that's accepted as being 'better' is the M1 filter. Although, I can change a lot of the STP filters I buy at $2.99 before I add up to the cost of the M1!!!

Good luck,
Ashley

 

[ruking77]

I am sure you have followed the oil filter threads and have a position one way or the other, given the bruha ha.

I, for one agree that Frams are made with an eye to "extreme" bean counting. However, on the other hand I have taken a Toyota Landcruiser to ap 250,000 miles using Fram PH8A oil filters!!!!

I have also used the Fram filters in other Toyota Landcruisers again with no oil or filter issues. I started in 1987 with Mobil One and Fram oil filters (2 for $5) AND 15,000 mile interval changes. The valve covers were removed every 15,000 miles for valve adjustment and each time the mechanics remarked about how clean the engine was.

I had app 2k of unscheduled maintenance in 14 years, with most of that being labor. Parts needing replacement were: master/slave cylinder, starter, alternator and the radiator sprung a non weldable leak, necessitating replacement. As you probably noted, all of these have NOTHING to do with oil and its filtering. I also used this vehicle as a daily driver, business delivery vehicle and on weekends treks to the mountains and deserts of CA.

So jumping to the nexus, I have a 2004 Honda Civic which also requires 5w20. There are any number of real fine 5w20 weight oils. You can pretty much use any SL rated oil with one caveat: The Honda engines seem to be happiest or slap happy with a good dose of moly. In fact if you check the VOA's for oem Honda 5w20 it has a very good load of moly.

If you intend to change at 10,000 mile intervals or LESS(3k-5k) I would feel comfortable buying on price with 5w20; Honda (made by Exxon Mobil) Castrol, Exxon Superflo, Pennzoil, Motorcraft, Chevron Supreme, Havoline.

Mobil One also makes a 0w20 especially to meet Ford and Honda requirements. The difference in moly in the Mobil One 0w20 is pretty dramatic over other oil viscosities in the line. I am guessing you will see up to .5 better gas mileage with a 0w20 vs 5w20. (I see this in using 5w30 vs 10w30 Mobil One in my Zo6 Corvette)

I would have no problem using Honda OEM filters aka FRAM. However Supertech comes in a 7317 size that is made by Champion Labs and filters better and longer than Fram. The cost is also 2.07 vs 3.99 for the same FRAM size. I also like AC Delco filters. (again made by Champion Labs)I got a boat load of AC Delco PF 44 filters when a well known big box store closed for restructuring reasons. Actually the boat load at my current consumption rate of 15k intervals will cover 180,000 miles

As much testing of oil and oil filters that has been done. NO ONE has done any oil testing that has statisticall validated one filter over another giving better OIL analysis numbers! Logically we all want the best filter and best oil, BUT the proof is or has been in the pudding. So the upshot is within targeted similar filter products, I am alright with buying on price.

[ October 09, 2004, 01:25 PM: Message edited by: ruking77 ]

 

[TC]

"...what happens if i switch to synthetic oil let's say at 5000 Kms,will the engine be broken in?"
Switching to syn at any time isn't a problem according to most oil firms. Good facts/myths site here:
http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/carcare/whattoknow.asp

"No compromise oil filter"
If this filter will fit your Pilot -- it works with some, but not all, "Honda applications" as well as some Mitsubishi and Mazda engines -- the Baldwin B7042 has an incredible 476 sq in of filter media. (In comparison, the Honda application Bosch 3312 has just 81 sq in.) Baldwins are also well built, with a relatively fine-filtering media per Grease's Mercruiser study. Meant for Peugeot applications, the uncommon B7042 would be a special order or internet purchase, although I'm sure you could find and order one relatively easily. If the filter gasket for a 1990 Corvette ZR-1 will mate properly, the B7042 will also work (same or similar gasket), so you could first try out an inexpensive STP or Purolator ZR-1 filter as experimentation. (Simply using ZR-1 filters may be an option as well -- they're certainly oversized when compared to OEM Honda filters.) Check for clearance too: The B7042 is 3.7" dia x 5.4" long.

[ October 09, 2004, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: TC ]

 

[427Z06]

Redline 5w20 and Amsoil SDF-36 oil filter.

 

[sxg6]

honda filters are frams. http://home.comcast.net/~dsmphotos/hon.jpg


redline 5w-20 and a napa gold filter is what id recommend. and if there are no napa's around you, purolator pureones a good choice too. had all of these on my honda and it seemed to like them just fine.

[ October 09, 2004, 02:58 PM: Message edited by: sxg6 ]

 

[LSVTEC 91 Civic]

I just bought some of these for my honda.

 

[427Z06]

LSVTEC 91 Civic, how much and where did you buy it?

 

[LSVTEC 91 Civic]

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Originally posted by 427Z06:
LSVTEC 91 Civic, how much and where did you buy it?

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http://store.yahoo.com/yhst-1408381693991/jdmhoheoilfi1.html
From there...

www.jhpusa.com is selling boxes of 10 for $69.. I didn't need that many of them though.

 

[427Z06]

LSVTEC 91 Civic, what are the filters dimensions, height and diameter?

 

[JohnnyO]

Top-of-the-line IMO would be Mobil 1 oil with a Mobil 1 filter.
I just posted a real good UOA on my wife's Taurus with M1 0w-20 and a Motorcraft filter.

 

[JHZR2]

filters: get the denso 'first time fit' series. Great filters, work wonderfully in my father's 94 toyota previa (see the UOAs on that, WOW!), girlfriend's 94 acura and brother's 94 mitsu 3000GT VR-4.
These filters have a pre-lubed gasket, high efficiency element, and torque limiting basepate design so they can't be overtightened.

As for oil, M1 works great in japaneese engines that like a little bit lower of a 30wt oil. My father's toyota has 13ppm of Fe over 13k miles, and negligible wear anywhere else. My GF's integra likes the m1 5w-30 best. The 20 weights are really just for MPG, but if a 20wt oil works, a thin 30wt liek M1 will give a bit thicker protection.

Redline oils are great as well, but even if cost is of no consideration, its just too well designed of an oil to waste it and pay the price for 3000 mile changes. Its just not worth it.

If I wasnt worruied about your brand new catalytic converter, I'd say to use redline 10w-30 with a diesel spec. But it may have too much zinc and phphosphorous.

I'd highly suggest that you find the motorcraft or conoco super premium synthetic blend 5w-20 or 5w-30, which are looking really excellent, will meet all the required specs, are a group III blend with a great additive package. That, M1 5w-30 or m1 0w-20 is what Id use if that were my engine.

The fram/honeywell/honda filters on my GF's integra seem to make the engine run a bit noisier. Fram filter on my chevy truck did the same thing at startup. Those denso filters are nice and well priced. You can find them at any worldpac site (www.mercedesshop.com and click on fastlane as an example of my favorite).

JMH

 

[Audioquest]

Mobil 1 5W30 (relatively thin 30 wt oil), and Baldwin B227 filter purchased online thru Acklands-Grainger.

 

[Flashlightboy]

Funny that I should see this post this afternoon because I just finished changing oil in my '03 EX.

This was a total vehicle milege change at 9,000 miles with only 4,200 miles since the last change. It's that 6 month severe schedule.

I put in 3 oz. of AR-X, 3.6 qts of RL 5W-20 and the M1 110 filter.

I still smell like used RL oil. Ahhh, the bliss of it all.

 

[427Z06]

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
I put in 3 oz. of AR-X, 3.6 qts of RL 5W-20 and the M1 110 filter.

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You think the A-RX is needed with the Red Line in there?

 

[Ugly3]

Mobil 1 0w20 and a Purolator Pure One filter with 10,000 km or 6 month OCI - perfection!