NHL star player Johnny Gaudreau and his brother Mathew killed in accident.

[billt460]

What's eye-opening is that it's a maximum of 10 years per count. A person's life is worth that little?

The average time served in the U.S. for murder, (basically an intentional, deliberate killing), is around 16.5 years. So 10 years for unintentionally killing someone doesn't seem too far fetched.

And if given the maximum sentence of 10 years, that doesn't mean they will serve all of that. If they are well behaved they'll get out much sooner.

I'm not saying I agree with either. But those are the facts of the matter. Like them or not.

https://fullfact.org/crime/how-long-do-murderers-serve-prison/#:~:text=The average amount of time,served is about 16.5 years.

 

[John105]

The average time served in the U.S. for murder, (basically an intentional, deliberate killing), is around 16.5 years. So 10 years for unintentionally killing someone doesn't seem too far fetched.

And if given the maximum sentence of 10 years, that doesn't mean they will serve all of that. If they are well behaved they'll get out much sooner.

I'm not saying I agree with either. But those are the facts of the matter. Like them or not.

https://fullfact.org/crime/how-long-do-murderers-serve-prison/#:~:text=The average amount of time,served is about 16.5 years.

It's not a question of liking it or not, but the link seems to be pertaining to Wales and England, and we're talking about New Jersey. Not only that, the number is of those who were released seems to have the 16.5 number. Not everyone is released. Some do life, some are executed. But in the case we're talking about, the maximum is 10 years per count. Not life.

 

[billt460]

Not everyone is released. Some do life, some are executed. But in the case we're talking about, the maximum is 10 years per count. Not life.

True. The more heinous the crime, the longer the sentence. What irritates me the most, is you have people out there with multiple DUI's. Many of which involve accidents and injury, and they're still licensed and driving.

And many of these people are wealthy, and are so called, "professional". Doctors, executives, and such. It would seem fair that you be given a second chance.

But not a third, fourth, or a fifth. Permanent revocation on a second DUI, accident or not, is not unreasonable. But if you have the money to hire the best counsel, and can present yourself as "professional", you'll get away with it far easier, and far more. That is true with most other criminal behaviour as well. (As long as it's non violent).

Especially if you "know somebody". Pelosi's husband is a perfect example of this. (I won't elaborate because of politics).

I never thought I would see the day when these European, socialist countries would have greater sentences than we do. But that is appearing to be more and more the case.

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wife-nhl-star-johnny-gaudreau-125757782.html

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

True. The more heinous the crime, the longer the sentence. What irritates me the most, is you have people out there with multiple DUI's. Many of which involve accidents and injury, and they're still licensed and driving.

And many of these people are wealthy, and are so called, "professional". Doctors, executives, and such. It would seem fair that you be given a second chance.

But not a third, fourth, or a fifth. Permanent revocation on a second DUI, accident or not, is not unreasonable. But if you have the money to hire the best counsel, and can present yourself as "professional", you'll get away with it far easier, and far more. That is true with most other criminal behaviour as well. (As long as it's non violent).

Especially if you "know somebody". Pelosi's husband is a perfect example of this. (I won't elaborate because of politics).

I never thought I would see the day when these European, socialist countries would have greater sentences than we do. But that is appearing to be more and more the case.

 

[Jackson_Slugger]

I never thought I would see the day when these European, socialist countries would have greater sentences than we do. But that is appearing to be more and more the case.

There aren't many true "socialist" Euro countries these days and few industries are owned by the state there, so a term massively overused and misunderstood by both its supposed adherents and critics. The reason why drunk driving laws, or the legal limits being much lower with anything more than 1 beer putting you over the limit in Europe, is that they have so many mass/public transit options of trains and buses making it completely inexcusable to hop behind the wheel of your Porche on the German Autobahn. In places like Tokyo Japan, the bars have no parking lots making driving nearly impossible. I don't know what the solution is but context is important here. Also those Euro countries have much longer drinking traditions and kids drink in their early teens yet have a much lower rate of alcoholism...

I would also say the driver was certainly a drunk aye whole, but is also probably an aggressive scoff law driver even when sober....

 

[John105]

I think when these tragedies occur, at least for me, it’s a reminder to not get impatient or upset (not easy) and to not act crazy when driving. Today, a Prius pulls out in front of us, and I had to follow it maybe 3 miles at 10 under the speed limit. There was no legal opportunity to pass, and it’s life. For 3/13 miles we had to drive 15 mph slower than we would have. So my son and I arrived at the rink a few minutes later. We lived. I was thinking about Johnny and his brother.

 

[John105]

I live in the Phila suburbs and at work I heard this story. I just googled it now. When I think about the gesture that John Tortorella gave, an open invitation to Mr Gadreau to assist and be around the team, it’s a sincere gesture to help the family feel that people care. People whom for whatever reason did not meet in their professional travels, yet still care, it means something.

https://whyy.org/articles/gaudreau-brothers-father-philadelphia-flyers-john-tortorella/

My son just started ice hockey this year. He’s late at age 10 and was put on the wrong team. Saturday when he practiced he was clearly around kids who were much more skilled and had years of experience. Yet, each time my son put the puck in the net during drills, what do you think happened? The entire team would tap their sticks on the ice. My wife was touched.

I can truly imagine that the Flyers’ gesture towards the Gadreau family, is meaningful during these tough times. And it’s touching to see when people who never met before, care about one another.