Newer VW reliability

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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
Bri, you attempt to speak authoratively about VW/Audi and other Euro brands.

Once again, you're reading things that I didn't write. I've noticed you continually seem to have that problem, not just with me but with other people here too. I've pointed it out to you twice:

1)When you believed that someone stated that an Escort GT is a better car than an Audi.

2)When you took my statement about how this country has changed over the last 60 years to mean that "all cars are alike" complete with a
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This makes a third time.

Could you please tell me where in this thread, or, in fact, anywhere on this forum I've ever said a word about VW/Audi and other Euro brands? (other than looking up resale values on Edmunds and posting them to counter the figures you pulled out of an orifice.)

I will say one thing about VW/Audi vehicles, and you: The fact that people such as yourself like them isn't a positive selling feature for them, in my eyes. This is based on comments in this thread, one of which you edited (you know which one I'm talking about, too) AND comments you've made in other threads which aren't even car related, as well as your tendency to post BS that isn't true and then whine about it when others point it out.

[ August 07, 2005, 11:48 PM: Message edited by: brianl703 ]
 
I didn't think you had any real car experience, other than reading my posts. Although, I guess that gives you some degree of qualification. Congratulations, you just insulted 50% of the Forum in one swipe! When I saw your remark on how certian things go bad at certian mileages on you car, in a predictable manner, I knew that you don't do your own work...just listen to other's explainations and excuses for lack of preventative maintenance. Sorry if my superiority complex bothers you...if you call not wanting to plod around in an old beater Contour a "complex".
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Put down the crackpipe and get some help. Really, just do it. If you bothered to look at, say this post you would see that I do indeed do my own work--and I attempt to help other users here.

As far as my "beater Contour", if you ever move out of mom's house your Audi hopefully won't be your most expensive possession any longer.
 
Mom's house is paid off, so are the three I own. Bought Mom-in-Law her A6. Sorry I missed your 'lil how-to post. I do my own work because I want to. My apologies to the Forum for my lingering off-topic with "Mr. Tool" here. I'm off to muse over my next Porsche purchase...any helpfull tips Bri? I see Porsche is top-rated customer satisfaction, must be a typo.
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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
When I saw your remark on how certian things go bad at certian mileages on you car, in a predictable manner, I knew that you don't do your own work...just listen to other's explainations and excuses for lack of preventative maintenance.

In addition to not reading what others write, you make assumptions (as I did about you living with your mom, so call it even).

In actuality, there was a Contour mailing list and I got quite a bit of information about what breaks and when from that. So, for example, I wasn't too surprised when the (plastic) waterpump impeller sheared off at about 60K miles, or the couple of problems for which Ford had issued a TSB that affected my car.

Never once did I take the car to the dealer or anywhere else and was told "They all do that", as you assumed. In fact, every time I took it to the dealer I told THEM what was wrong.
 
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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
I do my own work because I want to.

Do you think I do my own work because I have to?

Do you think I drive a Contour because I can't afford anything better?

Regarding Porsche, aren't they just a tad higher-end than VW?
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So, no Euro car experience at all? What are you even doing on this thread? Cayenne/Toureg seems to indicate a bit of cross-over between VW and Porsche, so does 924 and 914. Contour, oh my...I'm speachless. We'd all love to see a pic of the engine bay, I'm sure it's worth the effort to keep it spanky. BTW- Did your breaks brake or did your brakes break? Duh.
 
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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
So, no Euro car experience at all?

I'd have no problem working on one. In fact, from what you've said, it ought to be a piece of cake compared to American vehicles.

In fact, my boss has a 1997 Mercedes C230. I removed the (mislabeled) wiper fuse for him since the wiper switch is messed up and the wipers continually run (which isn't the first problem he's had with it--it also needed a MAF). He's deciding whether to trade it in or get the wiper switch fixed.
 
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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
What are you even doing on this thread?

The topic of the thread drifted to reliability in general..and then there was that post you made which I responded to and you had the good taste to edit. But I was watching this thread anyway since I'm quite interested in vehicle reliability, having noticed that many reliability problems are due to engineering problems, sometimes simple ones, that aren't corrected in a timely manner.
 
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So, no Euro car experience at all?
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I'd have no problem working on one.

Nah, stick to the Contour and Contour threads.
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Originally posted by Audi Junkie:
Cayenne/Toureg seems to indicate a bit of cross-over between VW and Porsche, so does 924 and 914.

I don't think that customer satisfaction is just a factor of the mechanicals of the vehicle.

The dealership has a lot to do with it too, and a high-end luxury nameplate dealership (in general) offers better customer service which in turn leads to better customer satisfaction.
 
Even though I haven't or never would put myself through the torture of owning a VW, my brother is on his 6th in 20+ years. Once I realized people seemed to be having so much trouble with them, anyone I'd know or run into, I'd ask about their experiences with VWs. When I started doing this about 15 years ago, there weren't a whole lot of owners. There had to be a pretty good reason VW went from selling over 500,000 in 1970 to about 80,000 in 1990. My experience I found was about 4 of 5 VW owners, after some length of ownership, were quite vocal in there negative ownership experiences.

Three of the latest examples are a girl at work had a '98 Golf break a timing belt at 56,000mi(60K is the book interval). By the time I talked to her about it, she had learned the hard way(all $3000 of them) that German engineering doesn't mean reliabilty.

Another girl I know with a '99 Cabriolet had to put $400 into an exhaust system a year ago. Her drive to work is 10 miles each way, so the majority of her driving should clear the pipes. I never heard of anyone having to replace exhaust components with moderate miles these days. But then again, it's a VW.

Another guy I know bought a 4motion Passat. After nearly 300,000 miles and satisfying ownership of a 1988 Cherokee, he's sure ragging about all the money his VW is costing him.

As for my brother, I'd say at best, VWs cost him about 3 times more to own and operate than all the typical American cars in the family. Compared to some, it would be about 5 times more. He's the only one in the family where he'd go through periods of month after month having the car 'nickle and dime' him - to the tune of $200+ for little crap stuff.

Reading his VW magazines, I was able to tell him that his '86 GTI was showing the symptoms of the close ratio 5 speeds failing from the factory mistake of forgetting to add a C-clip to a part in the internals. He traded it in to let it be someone else's problem.

Then he bought a '90 GTI. Less than a year - new muffler. Less than another year dealer puts on another one. About a year later that one failed then he went to a muffler shop and he didn't have to worry about mufflers for a long time.

Same with the radio. Reception wouldn't come in. Went to dealer about 3 or 4 times. They kept on replacing the attenna and who knows what else. After years of no am/fm radio, my brother finally put in an aftermarket Sony head unit. He had a radio from there on.

Whenever it rained the cars' drive belts would always be squealing. Somehow after several trips and about a year and a half going to the dealer, they did something and it wasn't a problem again.


As far as refinement, some things about them have been a bit better, some not as good. His current 2001 VR6 GTI, I would say is less refined and satisfying than my '02 Touring PT Cruiser, though most things are extremely similar. The PTs higher center of gravity makes you feel the tug under extreme cornering. When you throw the GTI into a corner, the suspension initially flops over in an extremely unrefined manner, but then quickly takes a set. I also confirmed this by driving straight and turning the wheel quickly, side by side a few inches. The cars' body would bounce from side to side instead of just sort of tracking in a 'slithering' type of motion. My dad's '97 Caravan put it to shame in refinement in that respect, not to mention my PT.

When taking both cars on a tight clover leaf, I could get them to nearly the same speed, with again the GTIs lower center of gravity being the biggest apparent difference. Of course I can put a Lazy Boy chair with all doors closed in a PT so there is a trade-off. Plus the PT is more refined over bumps and undulations

The only thing that stood above my PT was under hard braking, his GTI does not dive in the slightest amount. As hard as my PT can brake(tests have shown 183 feet from 70-0mph), it does take a slight forward set, though progressively, under hard braking.

The GTI shifter is slightly sloppy and definitely vague. For a car these days that's supposed to be a lot about refinement and feel(it's German remember?), it's quite bad. Really no better than the shifter in the '88 Sunbird turbo I had. Quite amazing.

Surprising too, is he has the optional stereo system and it has nothing on the base system in my PT. I think when I was looking on-line it was about a $400+ option.

I did an oil change for him 2 weeks ago. I won't blame VW, as he bought it used at a Nissan dealership, but the oil plug was hard to loosen. When it did loosen you could tell it didn't feel right coming out. I took it slow, running it back and forth to try and get it to hopefully realign or something. When it came out there was one, nice big sliver of thread from the aluminum pan. At least it looked better than it felt.

I told him to get mobil 1 EP. And after the next change do yearly changes, maybe longer. I'll put in some lube control about every 1000 miles too. The whole point, is the less that plug comes out, the better chance it will be to save him from a ~$500 repair. Here we go again.
 
Junkie,

Since you didn't back up your statement on Consumer Reports, I did your homework for you.

2005 Consumer Reports Buyer's Guide. Pages 221 & 222. VW Passat 4 cy: Only years with good reliability/recommendation was 2003. For 6cyl 2002 and 2004. This is back to 1996!

The charts for the entire VW line are full of black dots and big “X”s…and on those same pages many Toyota models are listed with the CR “target” and good check mark.

Further, on page 50 of the current Consumer Reports issue the A6 is reviewed. They like it. It drives nice and gets good MPG but they DO NOT RECOMMEND it because of poor reliability.

As a reality check CR is not always right. Like in the report on the Audi mentioned above, they say the M3 has a V6…when has BMW put a V6 in a car?!!?! They also compare chips and salsa…choosing a salsa that is not available nationwide! How aloof!!! So you must take their information and integrate it with real-world experience. I have, though the ownership of a 2001 Jetta. Since the day I took delivery, new, the car needed service/repairs or assembly competed. After years of wonderful service from VW, including my favorite 1986 Golf, I am sad to report that CR is accurate in saying that VW/Audi have some reliability issues. You might not get a bad one, but the roll of the dice is not in favor of the VW consumer right now.

There are always going to be enthusiast standing up for their love, and all are entitled to their opinion. But more often than my VW Jetta was in the shop for repairs, love is blind.

(Read this slow, twice, before you reply...you often tend to miss the point.)
 
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Three of the latest examples are a girl at work had a '98 Golf break a timing belt at 56,000mi(60K is the book interval). By the time I talked to her about it, she had learned the hard way(all $3000 of them) that German engineering doesn't mean reliabilty.

Sounds like a TDI, In my book no matter who made the car a diesel with a timing belt is very dumb engineering. Dan
 
DR,

Do you mean a t-belt driven high pressure electro-mechanical fuel/injection pump?

IMHO, T-belts are stupid on ANY interferance engine be it gasoline, diesel, or anything else!
 
Willy I should of pointed out interference gas motors too, I agree with your point. The rice cars with new engine designs are all coming with chains. Hoo ray its about time. Dan
 
To me, Euro car owners are always working on their cars because they don't want to accept any imperfections and won't drive around with some fault, either major or minor. I have PLENTY of Japanese owners who claim, "my car never needed nothing". that's because they were not looking too closely and were willing to accept gradual decline in it's overall condition and performance. Sloppy steering...crappy brakes...faded paint...no need for attention to these items. I'll bet anyone here that Bri's Contour is driving on the original shocks. GRADUAL DECLINE, no problems...never needed nothing. Like I said 3 pages ago, maybe VWs are not for you. Let's line-up the various products from the vrious mfgs for ANY given years, that should be interesting. BTW- I had a TB snap on an Accord, no damage. The dealer guys wanted me to purchase their lottery tickets for them.
 
Is "Jerry" just getting even with us for them having lost that little fracas back in the 1940s?

I have heard of a lotta' electrical problems with VW and Audi automobiles but the onl experience I had was with a 1980 Audi 5000 that the dealer never could get running properly due to the weird electronics within it.

I finally made it run by removing a relay and shunting across two of the connections. It was a pain to have to pop the hood and either connect or disconnect the wire to make the vehicle run/stop. I coulda' hooked up a switch in the cabin and run wires to the relay box but I didn't want to mess with the critter any more than I had to.

When I sold it the buyer thought the procedure was "cute" and when I saw the guy a couple years later he was...........

popping the hood to connect/disconnect that wire.

Hmmmm...... I may have started a trend. Perhaps a cult!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow
 
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