Well last week I swaped my gas addicted GMC Sierra for something a little more easier, a new Toyota Tacoma. Well doing a little research about this truck is that it does call for 0w20. Which is only synthetic oil. And when Toyota produced the 2TR-fe engine for the 2005 model year they call for 5w30 oil. And I know i realize Toyota is giving me free oil changes for the first 2yr/25,000 mile but I cannot see how they can make you run a synthetic oil. I do realize these engines have a knock at cold startup but these things last many miles. I mean the running gear will oulast the frame on it. lol So anyone got any input on what I should do for oil weight and OCI? It will be having Mobil just not sure if its conventional or not!
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First of all Congrats on the new truck.
Toyota makes an excellent vehicle, and it will be a nice
upgrade in quality from your GMC.
I'm currently running Quaker State Ultimate
Durability 0w20 in mywife's 2010 Camry at ak
5k interval. Toyota specs 10k intervals, except under
The severe driving schedule. Which Toyota
corporate tells me I fall under simply
because i live in NH. So it must be done every
5k to maintain warranty. Previously I ran Mobil 1
AFE 0w20 and it was fine on it. I just run the qs
now because it's 7 bucks cheaper than the mobil 1
And the QS UD 0w20 is just rebottled Pennzoil
Platinum according to Caterham.
I think the car runs smoother on the qs, but that's just me.
Toyota makes an excellent vehicle, and it will be a nice
upgrade in quality from your GMC.
I'm currently running Quaker State Ultimate
Durability 0w20 in mywife's 2010 Camry at ak
5k interval. Toyota specs 10k intervals, except under
The severe driving schedule. Which Toyota
corporate tells me I fall under simply
because i live in NH. So it must be done every
5k to maintain warranty. Previously I ran Mobil 1
AFE 0w20 and it was fine on it. I just run the qs
now because it's 7 bucks cheaper than the mobil 1
And the QS UD 0w20 is just rebottled Pennzoil
Platinum according to Caterham.
I think the car runs smoother on the qs, but that's just me.
Best of luck on your new truck. I'd be paranoid about Toyota trucks... one of my friends is/was a Toyota loyalist, and has had some MAJOR fails on his trucks... He's good on maintenence, so it just makes me wonder.
I wish everyone the best with their choices, as I hope everyone would wish me the same with mine, even though they may be different.
To answer the question, Depending on the cost of the oil in Bulk, the included changes may or my not be the "ideal stuff" but if they are done by the "Authorized" place, the warranty will be in tact.
I wish everyone the best with their choices, as I hope everyone would wish me the same with mine, even though they may be different.
To answer the question, Depending on the cost of the oil in Bulk, the included changes may or my not be the "ideal stuff" but if they are done by the "Authorized" place, the warranty will be in tact.
Originally Posted By: Ran23
So what your saying is that if I take the time to drive to the dealership, which is a 90 mile round trip, I could be getting a bulk oil change for it and not a synthetic oil which what they are recommending?
You should use 0W20 during warranty, change to xW30 after warranty if you like. But if I was you I would use xW20 even after warranty because Toyota engineers tested the vehicles with recommended weight and ...
There is no other Toyota dealer closer to you than the one about 45 miles away ? You can have free oil change at any Toyota dealer, because Toyota USA pay for these services.
So what your saying is that if I take the time to drive to the dealership, which is a 90 mile round trip, I could be getting a bulk oil change for it and not a synthetic oil which what they are recommending?
You should use 0W20 during warranty, change to xW30 after warranty if you like. But if I was you I would use xW20 even after warranty because Toyota engineers tested the vehicles with recommended weight and ...
There is no other Toyota dealer closer to you than the one about 45 miles away ? You can have free oil change at any Toyota dealer, because Toyota USA pay for these services.
Unless you buy some Toyota 0W-20 and ask the service department to put it in, you will not receive it free from your dealer. I learned this when I bought a 2012 4Runner about a month ago. The Express service uses Valvoline products, and I don't think Valvoline even makes a 0W-20, do they?
I suspect I'll be doing all the maintenance myself, but may have them rotate the tires and do inspection items for me. I hope they can't screw that up, can they?
Also, my owner's manual suggests using a higher than 20 grade for high speed driving and towing. I don't see a problem at all using 5W-30 and probably will myself. You won't void your warranty if the owner's manual says it's a good idea. You have to remember that 20 grades are all about CAFE standards.
I suspect I'll be doing all the maintenance myself, but may have them rotate the tires and do inspection items for me. I hope they can't screw that up, can they?
Also, my owner's manual suggests using a higher than 20 grade for high speed driving and towing. I don't see a problem at all using 5W-30 and probably will myself. You won't void your warranty if the owner's manual says it's a good idea. You have to remember that 20 grades are all about CAFE standards.
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Originally Posted By: INDYMAC
Unless you buy some Toyota 0W-20 and ask the service department to put it in, you will not receive it free from your dealer. I learned this when I bought a 2012 4Runner about a month ago. The Express service uses Valvoline products, and I don't think Valvoline even makes a 0W-20, do they?
I suspect I'll be doing all the maintenance myself, but may have them rotate the tires and do inspection items for me. I hope they can't screw that up, can they?
Yes Valvoline does make a 0w20. http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/synpower.pdf
I bought this car when my dad worked at the local Toyota dealership, and he did all my free oil changes.
He and all the other guys used bulk Valvoline Synpower 0w20 in all the cars that required it. Cars that called for a 5w20 got bulk Valvoline WB 5w20, and those that called for 5w30 got bulk Valvoline WB 5w30. The reason most Toyota dealerships use bulk Valvoline products is because they get it from Toyota corporate for cheap money. Toyota has a deal with Valvoline.
I talked with the parts manager, and he said he was getting Valvoline from Toyota Corp. for less than half of what he was getting for Mobil from the local oil distributor.
Unless you buy some Toyota 0W-20 and ask the service department to put it in, you will not receive it free from your dealer. I learned this when I bought a 2012 4Runner about a month ago. The Express service uses Valvoline products, and I don't think Valvoline even makes a 0W-20, do they?
I suspect I'll be doing all the maintenance myself, but may have them rotate the tires and do inspection items for me. I hope they can't screw that up, can they?
Yes Valvoline does make a 0w20. http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/synpower.pdf
I bought this car when my dad worked at the local Toyota dealership, and he did all my free oil changes.
He and all the other guys used bulk Valvoline Synpower 0w20 in all the cars that required it. Cars that called for a 5w20 got bulk Valvoline WB 5w20, and those that called for 5w30 got bulk Valvoline WB 5w30. The reason most Toyota dealerships use bulk Valvoline products is because they get it from Toyota corporate for cheap money. Toyota has a deal with Valvoline.
I talked with the parts manager, and he said he was getting Valvoline from Toyota Corp. for less than half of what he was getting for Mobil from the local oil distributor.
One thing I hate about new vehicle purchase is that fact that they will charge you up front for "free service" such as oil/filter change, life-time warranty with catches. I rather that they keep the initial purchase cost down and let me decide how to take care of my vehicles.
I haven't been in yet for my first service under the Toyota Care program, but I would be highly upset if my vehicle was not serviced to specification under a factory program. The Sienna specifically calls for 0W-20 and 10,000 mile intervals. To do this with a conventional oil would be irresponsible. The Sienna manual even states that if 5W-20 is used, the OCI must be cut in half to 5,000 miles. I have a pretty high level of confidence that my dealer will do it right.
BTW, dealers can buy TGMO 0W-20 in bulk.
BTW, dealers can buy TGMO 0W-20 in bulk.
Originally Posted By: Ran23
So what your saying is that if I take the time to drive to the dealership, which is a 90 mile roundtrip, I could be getting a bulk oil change for it and not a synthetic oil which what they are reccomending?
this is rampant across the whole dealership industry especially with dis-honest dealers. some i know have 10w-30 as their default bulk. we won't even get into transmission flushes at dealers using multi vehicle atf (which is fine in most cases, but not what u are paying for!)
So what your saying is that if I take the time to drive to the dealership, which is a 90 mile roundtrip, I could be getting a bulk oil change for it and not a synthetic oil which what they are reccomending?
this is rampant across the whole dealership industry especially with dis-honest dealers. some i know have 10w-30 as their default bulk. we won't even get into transmission flushes at dealers using multi vehicle atf (which is fine in most cases, but not what u are paying for!)
Regarding ToyotaCare.Bought a new 4Cyl [2.7] Tacoma in May 2011.Took me until now [13 mo]to acumilate 5000 mi.So I take it in and they do an "inspection" and tire rotation.They say oil is good for 10000 mi.[ToyotaCare folder clearly states that oil change must be done at 5000 mi intervals on the 2.7 engine.In fact salesman promised up to 4 free changes during first 24 mo.]He was emphatic about it.Since I"ll be over 24 mo at 10000 mi I get no oil changes.
Originally Posted By: tig1
You just paid a cazillion bucks for this vehicle, so why do you feel you need to hedge on the oil quality? M1 0-20.
If the truck gets Synpower 0W-20 rather than M1 0W-20, he's using the better oil.
Synpower is not intended for 10K drains, but it does produce lower wear metals numbers on 5-6K drains than do any of the many flavors of M1.
Before you call me on this, spend some time in the UOA forum.
I know that you've used M1 for many years and have had good experience with it.
It is a good oil and I've used plenty of it myself.
It is not the only good oil available, though, nor can it be called the best overall in most grades.
You just paid a cazillion bucks for this vehicle, so why do you feel you need to hedge on the oil quality? M1 0-20.
If the truck gets Synpower 0W-20 rather than M1 0W-20, he's using the better oil.
Synpower is not intended for 10K drains, but it does produce lower wear metals numbers on 5-6K drains than do any of the many flavors of M1.
Before you call me on this, spend some time in the UOA forum.
I know that you've used M1 for many years and have had good experience with it.
It is a good oil and I've used plenty of it myself.
It is not the only good oil available, though, nor can it be called the best overall in most grades.
Hi,
Ran23 - No doubt you have purchased a good vehicle. Just live with what you are about to get from the Toyota service package. The lubricant they will use will do the job very well - it really doesn't matter if the lubricant is synthetic or not in this case
There is no "best" lubricant and scaremongers abound on every Forum you visit - including BITOG
Enjoy your purchase
Ran23 - No doubt you have purchased a good vehicle. Just live with what you are about to get from the Toyota service package. The lubricant they will use will do the job very well - it really doesn't matter if the lubricant is synthetic or not in this case
There is no "best" lubricant and scaremongers abound on every Forum you visit - including BITOG
Enjoy your purchase
Originally Posted By: Doug Hillary
Hi,
Ran23 - No doubt you have purchased a good vehicle. Just live with what you are about to get from the Toyota service package. The lubricant they will use will do the job very well - it really doesn't matter if the lubricant is synthetic or not in this case
There is no "best" lubricant and scaremongers abound on every Forum you visit - including BITOG
Enjoy your purchase
Hi,
Ran23 - No doubt you have purchased a good vehicle. Just live with what you are about to get from the Toyota service package. The lubricant they will use will do the job very well - it really doesn't matter if the lubricant is synthetic or not in this case
There is no "best" lubricant and scaremongers abound on every Forum you visit - including BITOG
Enjoy your purchase
Originally Posted By: tig1
You just paid a cazillion bucks for this vehicle, so why do you feel you need to hedge on the oil quality? M1 0-20.
Really?
You just paid a cazillion bucks for this vehicle, so why do you feel you need to hedge on the oil quality? M1 0-20.
Really?
Doug,
You make a very valid point.
Long before I knew anything more than the current API spec, I used any oil that complied with the most current spec in my cars.
The engines lasted a long time and stayed clean, although I used what I could find most cheaply.
It didn't matter what brand I used then, and it doesn't matter now, although I do like to try different oils.
You make a very valid point.
Long before I knew anything more than the current API spec, I used any oil that complied with the most current spec in my cars.
The engines lasted a long time and stayed clean, although I used what I could find most cheaply.
It didn't matter what brand I used then, and it doesn't matter now, although I do like to try different oils.
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