New "Super Oil?" for 2 strokes.

[j_mac]

Has everyone seen the new Echo/Shindaiwa "Red Armor" oil? Its supposed to prevent ALL carbon deposits in the engine. They even claim it will CLEAN THE CARBON UP IN AN OLD 2 CYCLE ENGINE!
If this is true, then this is an absolute revolution in 2 cycle oil.
What do you guys think? Here's the link.
http://www.redarmoroil.com/

 

[Turk]

Nice. May have to give it a shot!

Now, to get that for our automobile engines.........

 

[NMBurb02]

Originally Posted By: Turk
Nice. May have to give it a shot!

Now, to get that for our automobile engines.........


Could it be used in the fuel of an automotive engine just like some use TC-W3 rated oils?

 

[skyactiv]

Think we've found the answer to cleaning intake valve deposits in direct injection engines!

 

[SwampSurvivor]

Originally Posted By: skyactiv
Think we've found the answer to cleaning intake valve deposits in direct injection engines!


How would it get to the intake valves? The engine would have to be burning a lot of oil to be pushing that much through the PCV so it can get sucked past the intake valves.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Sorry, but a modern car has a dry manifold designed to flow air only.

Introducing anything else carries with it the risk of uneven distribution. This causes a huge cascade effect of other issues and possibilities, few of them are good outcomes!

 

[Cujet]

I just looked at the website's piston example. I'm not 100% those are the same pistons. As the casting numeral "2" is inverted in one of the images. Plus, there are other "tell-tale" signs, such as scores and so on that don't seem to be consistent.

However, It's no secret that good quality 2 stroke oil will prevent deposits. Nearly any modern EGD oil will leave an engine cleaner than the use of el-cheapo oils. And the use of certain oils, such as the high end synthetics will result in very clean operation.

 

[HangFire]

It is easy to lessen carbon fouling on a 2-stroke engine, just lessen the oil to fuel ratio and make up for the lubrication difference by using a synthetic. However consumer acceptance is lacking above 1:50, consumers also don't like the very small bottles as it doesn't scream good value, so the next step is to go to 1:100 synthetic and replace the balance of the oil with fuel additives and the like.

 

[j_mac]

I used Maxima K2 synthetic 2 stroke in a small engine application 10 years ago. I took the cylinder and head off and found lots of carbon deposits. This oil was a highly touted synthetic at the time, but I found it to be lacking. Wont use that again.

 

[bvance554]

Originally Posted By: HangFire
It is easy to lessen carbon fouling on a 2-stroke engine, just lessen the oil to fuel ratio and make up for the lubrication difference by using a synthetic. However consumer acceptance is lacking above 1:50, consumers also don't like the very small bottles as it doesn't scream good value, so the next step is to go to 1:100 synthetic and replace the balance of the oil with fuel additives and the like.


So what you're saying is synthetic oil is so good that i can use less of it? Thats absurd. Stop giving out free advice.

 

[outdoorsman310]

Originally Posted By: HangFire
It is easy to lessen carbon fouling on a 2-stroke engine, just lessen the oil to fuel ratio and make up for the lubrication difference by using a synthetic. However consumer acceptance is lacking above 1:50, consumers also don't like the very small bottles as it doesn't scream good value, so the next step is to go to 1:100 synthetic and replace the balance of the oil with fuel additives and the like.

actually you can lessen carbon by using very rich mixtures. you cant use them in small engines though because the carb sont be able to pump the thicker mix properly.

 

[cronk]

The Stihl Ultra synthetic oil also cleans carbon and keeps an engine very clean. Don't know how it compares to this Red Armor stuff. I have had very good luck with the Stihl synthetic.

 

[Silverado12]

Originally Posted By: bvance554
Originally Posted By: HangFire
It is easy to lessen carbon fouling on a 2-stroke engine, just lessen the oil to fuel ratio and make up for the lubrication difference by using a synthetic. However consumer acceptance is lacking above 1:50, consumers also don't like the very small bottles as it doesn't scream good value, so the next step is to go to 1:100 synthetic and replace the balance of the oil with fuel additives and the like.


So what you're saying is synthetic oil is so good that i can use less of it? Thats absurd. Stop giving out free advice.


Amsoil recommends 100:1.

 

[bubbatime]

Originally Posted By: bvance554
Originally Posted By: HangFire
It is easy to lessen carbon fouling on a 2-stroke engine, just lessen the oil to fuel ratio and make up for the lubrication difference by using a synthetic. However consumer acceptance is lacking above 1:50, consumers also don't like the very small bottles as it doesn't scream good value, so the next step is to go to 1:100 synthetic and replace the balance of the oil with fuel additives and the like.


So what you're saying is synthetic oil is so good that i can use less of it? Thats absurd. Stop giving out free advice.


Actually, you have no idea what you are talking about, and it was good advice. There are 100:1 synthetic oils out there. Yes, the oil is so good that you can use less of it.

 

[Panzerman]

I am Mr. Two stroke and I would never consider running a 100:1 oil ratio. You may get away with it for awhile. Forget the piston and carbon. That is the only lubrication the crank is getting. There is NO engine oil, that quart you add on the side is all sealed transmission. You could probably only run 2 qts of that "Really" Good oil in your car for awhile too. It might be enough, but why chance it. That's not a lot of oil for a engine double timing a typical four stroke motor. Ive always run Yamalube 2R at 40:1. It has been clean on all my dirt bikes at teardown. I usually run 32:1 to 50:1.

 

[nitehawk55]

Originally Posted By: HangFire
It is easy to lessen carbon fouling on a 2-stroke engine, just lessen the oil to fuel ratio and make up for the lubrication difference by using a synthetic. However consumer acceptance is lacking above 1:50, consumers also don't like the very small bottles as it doesn't scream good value, so the next step is to go to 1:100 synthetic and replace the balance of the oil with fuel additives and the like.


Oh that's great advice , start leaning the fuel mixture and add more oil to compensate ?!!
It's guys like you that we loved in the Stihl technical dept. , guess what.....you play with that kiss your warranty or $$$ goodbye when you have a seized engine . And yes , we can tell when things have been played with .

Guys , just run a good reputable 2 cycle oil mix to the specs your engine requires , no more...no less and you'll never have problems unless something else is wrong such as a leaking engine seal or something in the fuel system causing the machine to run lean or rich .
Your first sign that something has changed or is going wrong is the idle speed will be noticeably higher then it should/used to be or it stalls or has loss of power . If you don't know what is wrong get help from a good shop .

 

[lars11]

So, bump! Anyone run red armor oil? Notice any difference?

 

[C4Dave]

I started running it late this summer. Was using Husky oil. I haven't noticed any difference, but have run only 1 tank through the weed eater.

 

[another Todd]

Originally Posted By: Panzerman
I am Mr. Two stroke and I would never consider running a 100:1 oil ratio. You may get away with it for awhile. Forget the piston and carbon. That is the only lubrication the crank is getting. There is NO engine oil, that quart you add on the side is all sealed transmission. You could probably only run 2 qts of that "Really" Good oil in your car for awhile too. It might be enough, but why chance it. That's not a lot of oil for a engine double timing a typical four stroke motor. Ive always run Yamalube 2R at 40:1. It has been clean on all my dirt bikes at teardown. I usually run 32:1 to 50:1.


To run 100:1, you have to use a 100:1 oil. I used HPS at 100:1 for many many years in jet skis, outboard motors, and dirt bikes with fantastic results. More power, no smoke, quicker to rev, never foul plugs. Those who say you cannot do it have never done it, but that doesn't mean it's not doable. It's really good stuff.

 

[LX289]

Go ahead run it. Its outstanding oil. You could run Amsoil Sabre if you wanted because i have had awesome results using it in my OPE. 80:1. Burns cleaner than Royal Purple stuff.