New SSD to replace old SSD(s)

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With all the SSD talk around here, I felt a little left out. My RAID0 array must have been feeling beat up compared to the numbers that Nick's Crucial M4 put up... so it decided to die.

I started getting a disk failed message during POST and was unable to boot. After one reset, the disk was fine, but the RAID array was still wonked out. The second reset and it booted fine. It would do this every time I did a complete power off and boot.

Rather than wait for the inevitable, being stuck with a completely dead disk and no way to boot, I went out and picked up a 256 GB Samsung 870.

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The read speeds are middle of the road, but the write speeds are fantastic. In actual use though, it doesn't feel any more snappy than the old AData S599s.

I'll probably take one of the old SSDs (the *good* one) and stuff it in our netbook. Maybe try installing Chromium OS and turn into into a low buck Chromebook.
 
Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
With all the SSD talk around here, I felt a little left out. My RAID0 array must have been feeling beat up compared to the numbers that Nick's Crucial M4 put up... so it decided to die.

I started getting a disk failed message during POST and was unable to boot. After one reset, the disk was fine, but the RAID array was still wonked out. The second reset and it booted fine. It would do this every time I did a complete power off and boot.

Rather than wait for the inevitable, being stuck with a completely dead disk and no way to boot, I went out and picked up a 256 GB Samsung 870.

Samsung870.jpg


The read speeds are middle of the road, but the write speeds are fantastic. In actual use though, it doesn't feel any more snappy than the old AData S599s.

I'll probably take one of the old SSDs (the *good* one) and stuff it in our netbook. Maybe try installing Chromium OS and turn into into a low buck Chromebook.


Hehe, nice dude. SSDs rock. Though I am running out of room oh my HDDs, I need to pick up a 1/2TB for storage.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
SandForce controller?


Nope. Samsung does the entire drive in-house. NAND, DRAM, controller, and firmware are all Samsung.

I posted that it is an 870. It's not. It is an 830. My mistake.
 
Nice choice! Samsung and Intel SSD's, while not the fastest, are BY FAR THE MOST RELIABLE SSDs on the market!! I have a pair of Intel 510-Series SSDs (240GBx2) in RAID0 with native TRIM support, and in the RAID setup, they perform nearly as well as the two OCZ Vertex3's in RAID0 (240GBx2).
Definitely faster than the RAID10 setup I use for all my uncompressed HD Video and Audio files and backups and whatnot (4x2TB WD Caviar Black 7200rpm HDD's).
I got really, really lucky though and snagged an OCZ RevoDrive3 x2 480GB PCI-e x4 SSD for $200 from my girlfriend's dad; he does IT, and was installing a bunch of them, and they had two more than needed so they gave them to him at below-cost; so he sold me one at nearly 40% under cost (cost being what it was per-drive for ~250 of them). That thing is wicked-crazy fast... 1600Mbps read/write easy...
OS now boots on my gaming PC in just a couple blinks!
That said, I could NEVER have afforded it otherwise! Those things are crazy expensive! All my RAID arrays have been scavenged from prior builds and friends' prior builds (Lian Li PC-V2021X case, HUGE amounts of room... even with 2 optical drives I am not even close to filling it).

Enjoy! That thing should work at those speeds for at least the next decade!
 
We've deployed quite a few SSDs over the past 2-3 years.

Which one to buy depends on what you're after: speed, reliability or value. You buy an SSD for its reads; writing is a depreciating feature. I would never use an SSD for any non-static data storage; they should be limited to the OS/boot drive, where they excel at blistering reads. So you normally need to keep a separate HDD or array for data writes. If the machine is being used for any file rendering/processing (A/V file processing, etc.), you definitely need a separate HDD on board for that purpose, or you will quickly burn up the cycle count on the SSD cells. Right now, the sweet spot for capacity appears to be 128GB, which limits data storage anyway.

Knowing the chipset and the nand implementation are a good initial gauge of how an SSD should perform and hold up. But there are differences among the SSD makers in assembly and firmware competence.

The most reliable SSDs of the ones we have deployed are Intel, Plextor and Samsung, and in that order. Intels are usually priced at a premium, but quality costs, and they're the best. Intel and Samsung use in-house controllers and nand (except for some Intel models, which use Marvells). Last I checked, Plextor uses an excellent Marvell controller and Toshiba nand, is still assembled in Japan, is extremely trouble-free, and is very underrated. Not the fastest, but rock-solid dependable.

The fastest SSDs continue to be the SF-controller models, but depending on the manufacturer, are not always as durable/stable. Kingston, in its higher (non-consumer) grade products, also makes a solid, durable, reasonably fast product at a very good price. We've had a few SSDs using Indilinx controllers from other makers, and they are decent and quick. But I value reliability over speed, and lean towards the above three drives where it is a more critical application.

For now, try to find 30nm or larger NAND, which has a proven durability record and a better cycle rating than the latest 25nm. Although Intel's 25nm chips seem to be holding up fine, I don't have the same confidence with that provided to other makers. Most are now using 25nm chips, because it's cheaper.

The other big consideration with SSD is maintaining performance over time. Without GC or trim, the drive R/W speeds will eventually degrade. W7 supports trim, and should be enabled. AHCI should also be enabled in bios. There is a great freeware utility called SSDTweaker that will auto configure registry settings for optimal SSD usage. For non-trim OSes (XP, Mac, Linux), you should lean towards a controller with automatic GC (garbage collection). The better Kingstons and Plextors (Toshiba) have aggressive on-board GC, which in the long run, where needed, is a more desirable feature than having the fastest SF chipset. There are also benefits to modifying settings on many applications to reduce writes, such as disabling browser cache, and maintaining e-mail folders on another HDD. The more that writes can be reduced, the longer the SSD will last. Although, the design life expectancy of most SSDs is probably approaching the projected deployment life anyway. In another couple years, all of it may be a non-issue.

Migrating an existing machine to an SSD presents its own set of issues where a clone is attempted. Suffice it to say that I would avoid USB transfers and use the latest version of Acronis.

An SSD makes the most sense on a portable device, where its low average power draw, low heat emission, and shock resistance are most suited. But they will definitely speed up most desktops as well.

This is a developing industry with a fast product turnover, so the entire product landscape could be vastly different in another six months.

That's my 2c.
 
I agree in general on what Volvohead recommend, except that if you are buying something for speed and not durability, you can still use SSD for write intensive application and just throw the drive away when it die.

I have 2 SSD (SF chipset) that I used for over 2 years and they are still going strong for code building. They are not as fragile as one would think.
 
+1 on Intel & Samsung for performance and reliability. Have done multiple Dell D620,6300, E6400 & Apple upgrades using Intel or Samsung SSDs, users are always happy with the rocket-like performance post-upgrade.

SATA III changes the game a bit as a Win7 box can boot in 10sec or less with such a fast interface, and a drive that can take advantage of these read-rates. Makes a tablet not worth it with drive speeds that push Windows (and Apple PCs too) to new realms of possibilities.
 
As i said, I have the Crucial m4 in my desktop now, and I plan on picking up two additional 128GB m4s. One for my laptop, and one for my moms. They seem to be extremely reliable, thus far.
 
The 128GB(not 120) crucial m4 is on sale today at buy.com for 169.99.. i had some buy.com super points and also stacked the 3% mrrebates on it
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147$ + 3% rebate isnt too bad.

I'm going to plop it into the flaky desktop.. if it dont like it.. its getting laptop duty in my lenovo R series
 
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I just wanted to add the samsung 830 was the 1# ssd I was looking to purchase but I have yet to see them break 199$ on a 120~~gb size one

The m4 was #2 on the list..

I was pretty much avoiding all the sandforce based ones as I've had a very bad time with those (over 50% went bad so far)
 
yep, super happy with my 830 samsung in my MBP.

Also love W7. Last time I was happy about an OS change like this was when Windows 2000 came out!
 
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